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I'm not defending the Mario Williams pick....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Mattj, Nov 11, 2007.

  1. Icehouse

    Icehouse Member

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    The Texans get crap for not taking VY because they chose to keep a scrub QB instead, paid that scrub QB more money, cut that scrub QB a year later and potentially overpaid to get another QB in here when they could have just drafted a solid one that would have made sense for reasons on and off the field. If you pass on a QB because you just signed one to an extension (the real reason they didn't take VY), and then get rid of him a year later...you admit that you blew it.

    Mario has been playing well this season. Vince and Bush have been struggling. The opposite happened last season. I still think VY will have a better career that all 3 of them.

    And to the posters saying Vince was projected to be a savior from day 1...yeah, probably from avid fans on this board or fellow Longhorn alums. These would be the same people that thought Boki could be an all-pro or V-Span would dominant the PG position. But generally speaking most said he would take for VY to develop. He has played poorly this season and hasn't been making the same big plays that he did last year. But considering most QB's aren't even counted on to lead a team in their second season, and that the Titans have been in playoff contention since they put him under center I think they are satisfied with his progress so far. The only team that I think is dissapointed with their pick is NO....
     
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  2. Master Baiter

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    Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull**** Bull****

    He won a National Championship for UT. He's from Houston. People wanted to blow him.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    bad decisions, yes, inaccuracy maybe the biggest inaccurate criticism
     
  4. Icehouse

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    Thank you for noting why it made sense to pick him, as far as off the field reasons go.

    Did the team not pass on him due to Carr? Did they not get rid of Carr a year later and potentially overpay to bring another QB in (debatable)? Have the Titans not been winning since he took the reigns? Have we beat them since he took the reigns? Is half of Reliant pro VY when the Titans come to play here?

    Again, I think all teams are happy with their pick expect for NO (but they were happy last season).
     
  5. Icehouse

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    Why are some suprised that a 2nd yr QB is making bad decisions? Pull the numbers for other QB's in their 2nd year and most will not be impressive. VY is having a down season but he is still ahead of the curve as far as his development goes.
     
  6. WoodlandsBoy

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    It's the Madden Jinx.
     
  7. Master Baiter

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    I'd take Schaub over VY at this point.

    And no, VY is not ahead of the curve at this point. He is one of the worse starting QB's in the league and the Titans won more than the Texans because they had a much better team in place.
     
  8. slowmustang

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    It's hilarious reading fans on the Titan board. Their fanbase is falling apart, similar to something around here a year or two ago. Some are already wishing they had drafted Cutler, and some are calling out fans, calling them UT fans and not Titan fans. It's a thing of beauty. :D
     
  9. ima_drummer2k

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    That's not even the choice. The choice is Schaub AND Mario over VY. At this point, not many people would take VY over those 2.

    Icehouse, don't you think titan fans are now wondering what could have been if they picked Cutler instead of VY? Even a little bit? Remember, there are very few UT fans in Nashville, so the hometown hero bias doesn't apply.
     
  10. Icehouse

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    I wouldn't. Schuab gets hurt every other game and he is always turnover prone.

    How is he not ahead of the curve? How many 2nd year QB's are even starting? Again, pull the numbers for most QB's in their 2nd year and you will not be impressed.
     
  11. Icehouse

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    Actually it's Schuab and Mario vs VY, two #2 picks and our original draft spot last year. Considering the teams lack of depth I would take the latter.

    That would not suprise me, considering where Cutler is from. However, the Titans are winning and the Texans and Broncos are not.
     
  12. msn

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    That sounds good at first, but honestly if you're going to start down that slippery slope where do you arbitrarily draw the line? It's a bit disingenuous to draw the line at the point where it best helps one's own argument.

    Because really, more than Schaub + Mario or VY, it's Schaub + Mario versus VY + two second round picks.

    And I'm sure it can be taken farther than that.
     
  13. Master Baiter

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    That is in spite of Vince Young. Not because of him.
     
  14. ima_drummer2k

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    :confused:

    The titans are one game ahead of the Texans and Broncos. titans have lost 4 of their last 5 games.
     
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  15. Icehouse

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    Dude, you are entitled to your opinion, but the Titans did not start winning until VY got under center, and that is a fact. His impact to those wins has been debated in many other threads and you are free to believe that he has made little to none if you choose, but I will go with the fact that they were basically winless until he got under center and that his coaches and teammates say he plays a vital role in their wins.

    Either way they are winning and I'm sure the Titans are happy with their pick. I would put my nuts on the table and say they would not trade VY for many players, especially not Mario.
     
  16. Icehouse

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    The Titans have beaten the Texans twice and are 1 game up. They lost to the Broncos but are still one game up.
     
  17. emjohn

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    Nationally - no one considered Young a sure thing. Most thought he was high risk, especially after the Wunderlick.

    On this BBS - waves of people desperately wanted him over Bush and Mario because of UT and the Rose Bowl.

    Personally, I wanted to trade down and get Brick + an additional 1st day pick or two (perhaps at the additional cost of a 2nd day pick from us). Ferguson has struggled, so maybe that's proving me wrong too. I was so envious of the Jets, but their O-line has sucked despite nabbing two lineman in the 1st.

    Maybe if he was just accurately throwing to a route his receiver wasn't running and you chalk it up to a bad decision....but I've seen quite a few. Didn't see the game yesterday, though. Maybe I'm taking too much from not enough games seen.

    Evan
     
  18. msn

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    The point is, they're one game up on two bad teams: the Texans and Broncos. "The Titans are winning and the Texans are not" quite obviously implies a much bigger gulf than one game in the standings, or the two that I predict it will by the end of week 17.

    Also, I'm not sure I'd be proud of a 7-6 campaign, endorsing it with "We're better than the Texans!!", a team who leads the league in players on IR and who weren't supposed to be that good before becoming a M*A*S*H unit.

    To each his own, I guess. :p
     
  19. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    he's completing over sixty percent of his passers, even dan dierdorf yesterday talked about how he looked good outside of the interceptions. he throws the ball accurately outside a few horrible decisions a game.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Dude give me a break. Your blind allegiance to VY6 is clear. The guy could be the worst starting QB in the league. The Titans were winning due to their defense....as Master Baiter put it, they were winning despite VY6's play.
     

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