exactly what I said. he throws the ball downfield and he completes the majority of his passes and he still makes plays with his legs. he has to cut out the interceptions.
BECAUSE HIS TEAM DID WELL! The vast majority of that had ZERO to do with Vince but he got all of the glory for some reason. Yes, it is a long season and its almost over. Vince has one of the worst QB ratings in the league. Mario is having a much better season than either Vince or Reggie and there is no debating this.
Seriously, labeling Vince a bust id ridiculous. The QB position in the NFL is one of the hardest one's to master...it usually takes 3 or 4 seasons to really "get it" (obviously there are exceptions to the rule). I'm not a VOF. In fact, VOF's bother the hell out of me. that said, he still has potential to be really good and still would have made a great draft pick. Mario played like a beast and is on pace for a double-digit sack season. Looks like we made a solid pick and he is gonna be a great player down the road.
I'm not labeling him a bust but to this point he is closer to bust than closer to revolutionizing the QB position. Same with Bush.
No I haven't. Show me where I said that. All I'm saying is he isn's Jesus like the majority of the posters said he is.
last year, there was never a lack of VY posts from a large number of posters who couldn't wait to get in their dig at the Texans every week for passing on VY. it's amazing it's so quiet now.
Here's the perfect evaluation of what Vince was in relation to Bush. This was where the legitimate debate was. Yeah, you had crazies on each side that were just "Vince is the greatest thing ever" and "Vince will be the next Akili Smith". But the core was this (the context here is a pro-Bush article): http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=107164&page=1&pp=20 The Texans are certainly sitting pretty now, aren't they? The league has been abuzz about Reggie Bush for months. Now, as if to make up for lost time, the buzz about Vince Young is deafening. Until last Wednesday, the debate for the Texans was whether they should take Bush or trade down for players at positions where they really needed help, like Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk or Virginia left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson. But now there's a new layer to the debate: Vince or Reggie? Reggie Bush is a known quantity. It's much easier to project a college running back to the NFL than a college quarterback, particularly a quarterback such as Vince Young. Bush was on the radar screen as a possible early entrant and first-round pick even before this season. Young flew up the draft boards — at least the media's, if not the ones on NFL general managers' walls — on the strength of one phenomenal game. If the Texans want the best player they can find with the top pick, Bush is still the best choice. One great game isn't enough to change that. Taking Young instead of Bush with the first pick would represent a monumental risk for the Texans. The term that has attached itself to Bush is "can't-miss prospect." It's true that running back is far from the top in the list of the Texans' needs. But they would take Bush because they are so certain that, barring injury, he will be one of the best players at his position. Quarterback isn't high on the list of needs either — depending on your opinion of David Carr, it is a position that could be improved but not one that is holding back the team — so the Texans would have to be as certain about Young as they are about Bush. Young's potential is unprecedented. If his passing could catch up to his running, he could be the greatest quarterback in the history of the NFL. But that might never happen, and he could be merely another Kordell Stewart. Young needs a lot of work to make it in the NFL. He's a great football player, and a great quarterback, but his strengths made up for the deficiencies in his game at the college level in ways that they won't at the pro level. His strengths are his tremendous athleticism, as expressed in his running ability that might be better than Michael Vick's, and his calmness and consequent ability to know what's going on everywhere on the field. (article continues on that link, along with a discussion here that followed)
dude, first of all, what I noticed last week is that a lot of vince fans took it easy on the texans after another loss to the titans and vince actually having a good game which a lot of people don't even want to admit to that. his rating was like a 99.8 that game. so yes its been quiet, both ways, and in case you didn't notice, the titans are still in front of the texans in the standings.
That is one article. I'm talking about the idiot posters here. I guarantee you that if I had no life and wanted to spend a billion hours searching the BBS, I could give you COUNTLESS posts showing how Vince would cure cancer and win a Super Bowl with his little toe. As macalu said, the silence this year is deafening. VY is not the QB everyone thought he would be at this point.
a) I've admitted he had a good game against us more than once b) It's getting quieter because it's old news. I regret bringing it up last week. c) The standings matter, but the value of an individual player isn't always reflected well in the standings. I honestly believe MW is more valuable for the Texans than VY has been for the Titans, but don't expect everyone to agree.
Seriously, you can't blame Texan fans for wanting to get just a little payback when posters like DaDakota, thegary, tinman, mrdave2547586 and top-something or other were saying things like "the Texans will regret passing on VY for the next 15 years" etc. Remember this thread? http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=121125&highlight=great
thanks man, i couldn't tell from the box that said standings on nfl.com. my point is, texan fans got a lot of **** last year from vince fans. and i would argue that the only reason it's quiet now is b/c he hasn't been playing like the superstar they all claim him to be and mario's performance has been much better. yea, he had a good game against the texans, but then again, who doesn't? so forgive us if we sling a bit of **** back.
When it was announced over the radio on the Friday night before the draft that the Texans were taking Mario Williams I wasn't too happy because I felt that we could have traded down with the Jets (who had multiple picks in the 2006 Draft) and still have gotten Mario. I understood why Kubiak wanted Mario over Bush, the defense had been getting no pressure on the opposing QB for too long. Vince wasn't even a choice because Carr had been extended earlier that month. I am elated that Mario is doing well this year, he is getting pressure on the QB, he is disrupting the run game, he seems to get to the ball much easier than last year. Along with Amobi Okoye and Travis Johnson (who I am also glad is stepping up his game) the Texans have a young talented line that should terrorize opponents for years.
exactly. i'm willing to bet that if the Texans didn't come from behind in Carolina and showed great promise for the season or that the Titans weren't struggling so bad, we'd get Vince Young vs (insert team) threads every week and pics in every post. how many "great" Vince Young articles have been posted this year? last year, there was basically a thread for every new article on him.
I don't think it's about peaking, I think it's about judging whether he looks like he well develop into a capable QB. Do you think Rex Grossman needs more time to hone his game? Or is it time to bag it and move on? Young guys like Campbell, Cutler, Leinart, and Smith may not be much to talk about, but all have shown glimpses of promise. Young needs better receivers, for sure. Alex Smith looked awful this year because of SF's pitiful line, so you have to take things into account. But when you watch Vince play you see a startling amount of poor decisions and outright bad throws where he just misses his man completely. He's a great team captain and shows a lot of heart - but you have to really wonder if he can stick in this league if he can't bring more to the table in terms of QB skill sets. Evan
