I'm still waiting for Vince to "revolutionize" the QB position. btw my boy Cutler looked pretty good, eh? Mario....NICE GAME!!!
Ha, not so much. I didn't go to college. I just don't see why an early 1st round pick is a project. You expect them to contribute. A project means that they could go either way. NO ONE expected VY or RB or MW to go either way. If they fail, that is a huge blow.
Aaahhh; herein lies the difference. I'm not sure others who are using the word "project" mean that the pick could go either way. I believe they simply mean the pick will require development. The whole "project" idea is goofy to me. Almost every guy who steps into the pro's needs "development". The guys who come in and immediately set the world on fire, even the top picks who do, are rare and celebrated.
I agree that everyone needs development. VY and RB were supposed to be can't miss. Both seem to be closer to a miss than closer to a hit at this point. I can't see how anyone can say that MW has been less of a hit than either of VY or RB. He is having a great season so far while RB has been a huge disappointment and VY has been certainly less than stellar.
I mostly agree. I think the whole "can't-miss" thing is hogwash, as the draft is far too much of an inexact science. Lots of hall of fame QBs were selected at or near the very top of the draft. But, there's also the Tom Bradys (I'm sure there are more examples) who were not. How many teams passed on Demeco Ryans? VY and RB have been disappointing this year, but I also think it's too early to label either a "bust". VY's had some brilliant flashes this year (regrettably, one was against our Texans).
I know this really has nothing to do with the discussion. But, I have seen this statement many times before so I thought I'd give my thoughts on it. How many teams in the first round needed a LB? Teams that have no need for a LB will take another position of need. Therefore, you cant really blame every team for passing up on him. There were 6 teams in the first round that drafted LB. AJ Hawk Ernie Sims Kamerion Wimbley Chad Greenway Bobby Carpenter Manny Lawson We can only truly blame the teams that took these players for passing up on Ryans. Hawk, Sims, and Greenway are ballers. Lawson has shown that he can play ball, but he tore his ACL this year. So really, its not that shocking that Demeco dropped to the first pick in the 2nd round. Only a few teams made the mistake of not drafting him.
That's the thing, though - he was NEVER can't miss. Go back to looking just at this board when discussing Vince's pros and cons. Matt Leinart was the "can't miss, definitely should be really really good" guy. Vince was the "might be a bust, or could revolutionize the position" guy. The appeal of Vince was that he has such an incredibly high ceiling - same type of thing as Vick (though in a different way). But everyone who evaluated him said he had a long way to go learning NFL defenses, understanding more complex offenses, etc - this was why the initial Wonderlic thing was a concern to many. That's why people thought he wouldn't play, and why people thought McNair would have been a perfect mentor for one more year had he stayed.
Might be a bust or could revolutionize the position? The Texans STILL get crap over not drafting Vince and the wonderlic thing was dismissed by the VY jock riders repeatedly. I think the back peddaling now is hilarious.
what does the wonderlic have to do with this. honestly. matt lienart has done just as poorly, so has alex smith. alex smith graduated early in economics. he's got an extra year under his belt and is having trouble adjusting. no one is back pedalling, its not like vince is completely ineffective. first of all, vince was the best off all of them last season, so now that mario has had a good year only evens it out if we are going to compare the two. secondly, vince does have a horrible, td/int ratio, but everything else is fine. he hasn't gotten hurt running, he completes over sixty percent of his passes. its basically the interceptions, which I'm not dismissing, but the guy isn't an inept passer.
Damn, Major is good at spin. Is he a lawyer or something??? I just read thru the old draft thread and the consensus from the VY supporters was that he'd make an immediate impact, revolutionize the position, could beat you with his legs, and would be the michael jordan of the NFL and the Texans should take him because he's a longhorn and from Houston. The Bush supporters seemed to be equally insane, minus the hometown, UT Bull****.
I think your selective memory is sad. Just go back to January 2006 on this very board and look at the debate. One of the biggest reasons people were anti-VY was that it would involve waiting several years for him to develop, and people didn't want to do that. I don't think anyone has backpedaled. Vince is basically on-track for what was expected - he has shown flashes of potential greatness and a lot of inexperience and learning still-to-do. The expectations got ratched up based on his play last year in critical situations, which hasn't really contined this year (a bit surprisingly, given his history). The only weird thing is people trying to label him a bust in the middle of his 2nd year.
Vince is on-track? You've lost your mind. Seriously, VY supporters are jumping the shark. He was not the best qb last year, his team caught a ton of breaks, and he got into the Pro-Bowl because of an injury to a player that couldn't go and on hype.
you know, it really is amazing how you guys disappeared after the texans games, and now you're back in full force. its a long season. no one said he was the best qb last season. he was however offensive rookie of the year.
