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I'm not defending the Mario Williams pick....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Mattj, Nov 11, 2007.

  1. gucci888

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    Mario has played well so far this season, especially the last 3-4 games. Bush and VY have definitely been disappointing considering the amount of hype surrounding their sophomore campaign. I think all 3 will be very good players but I don't you'll be hearing from all the Texan-haters that wanted Bush for a while

    That's the truth? Sounds like more of a personal opinion.
     
  2. rockmanslim

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    Not exactly sure what comparison the author is trying to make here (other than maybe that Larry Centers was used alot as a pass catching back out of the backfield?), but that's an insult to Larry Centers. From what I remember, Larry Centers was a bruising back that dished out as much or more punishment to his tacklers as he received. The next time I see Bush put a hurting on a tackler, instead of hitting the ground or ducking out of bounds, will be the first.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    this is such a dumb criticism of running threat qbs, especially considering that our "pocket" passer can't stay healthy. players are either injury prone or not. vince has never had a problem with injuries, and has only missed one game so far because of one and he could have played in that game.
     
  4. VesceySux

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    Oh snap! Glad to see that the media is finally warming up to Mario, while also simultaneously realizing that Bush is a fraud.
     
  5. msn

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    Brace yourself bro: I agree with you on this point.
     
  6. Icehouse

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    As one who was in favor of picking Vince, I think Mario has played well this season. I hope he continues to improve...
     
  7. MadMax

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    well said. i agree. go mario!
     
  8. Refman

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    I don't agree with this at all.

    1. Reggie Bush will NEVER be a good between the tackles RB in the NFL. He is WAY too undersized.

    2. I think that what you are seeing from VY this year is what he really is as a QB. He has a QB rating of about 65. He has horrible decision making skills as a pro. This is not likely to get better.

    I'm not saying that Mario is going to be a hall of famer, but his sack totals this year (particularly the last 3 games) have been on the upswing.
     
  9. Uprising

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    AWESOME!! :eek: :eek: :D :D :D
     
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  10. Major

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    Why do you think this? Why do you think VY - someone who was considered a project coming out of college, and whom most thought wouldn't even play his rookie year - has peaked in his 2nd year?

    Decision making is the last thing to come for good play-making QBs. Most of them have a huge impact on games early - both making lots of big plays and lots of big mistakes. Over time, the great ones improve by reducing their mistakes. There's nothing in Vince's curve thus far to suggest he's not capable of improving, and he went through the exact same progression at the college level. (on the other hand, plenty of non-successful QB's also follow this path - they just never cut down on the mistakes)

    He had probably 3 of his best throwing games of his career the last 3 weeks. I think it's way too early to say what's going to come of Vince's career - same with Cutler & Leinart, the other QB's drafted that year. However, all three are well ahead of the curve compared to other QBs in recent years. By comparison, the two 1st round QB's this year have yet to start a single game. Last year, all 3 of the 1st rounders were starting by this point. Of the three 1st round QB's in 2005, only Campbell is solidly holding onto a starting job, and he's been mediocre. Aaron Rodgers has yet to start, and Alex Smith has struggled a whole lot.
     
  11. leebigez

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    I really dont think it has anything to do with size. Its kinda like playing center in the nba. Its a mentatilty of wanting to do the dirty work and playing inside. In the If guys like Rasheed Wallace,Webber,Garnett,and duncan had come out in the 80's, they would be centers. Being a rb and wanting to do everything inside and outside is a mentality, not size. Dunn, Chalie garner,LT, aren't big guys, but they know how to run inside. Faulk was 511 200 and he scored and ran inside his entire career. Ahman Green coming out of nebraska is the same size as bush and he was a elite back between the tackles. If you've never done and isn't used to doing it, its very hard to learn. I never bought into the Reggie Bush hype and buddies of mine thought i was crazy. Sometimes one game can make up the mind. I just remember in the end of the bcs game and he was on the sidelines with the coach. I said Eric Metcalf back then and i still say it, but the nfl and the marketers thought they had this super guy. What they really had awas a 3rd down guy that got alo of credit last year for catching swing passes. They also had this notion about decoy this and this invisble impact he had. Well the truth always come out.
     
  12. Master Baiter

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    A project?? You are seriously delusional. You don't draft someone 1st, 2nd, or 3rd to be a project.
     
  13. pgabriel

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    are you delusional, qbs get drafted number one and don't even play their first year. carson palmer, phillip rivers, etc. and those guys were supposed to be more nfl ready.
     
  14. Major

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    :confused: The general consensus coming out of college was that he was absurdly athletic and a great playmaker, but still needed time to learn the NFL, learn to read defenses, etc and that he probably wouldn't play at all his first year - or maybe just bits and pieces of games. This was pretty widely accepted by just about everyone. It was extremely surprising when he actually started early last year. Remember, before the Rose Bowl, no one even thought of him as coming out that year - he was expected to stay for his senior year to develop his abilities to read defenses and all that fun.

    He was by-far the least "NFL-ready" of the all the top picks, especially as compared to Matt Leinart (the other top QB prospect), who was much more considered ready to jump right in because of his experience with an NFL system. There are all sorts of projects that are taken in the top picks - Alex Smith, for example, was a "system QB" that people expected would take time to learn the NFL game. Even Mario Williams was considered a bit of a project - lots of potential, but he needed time to develop and learn better technique.
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    Mario has been looking really good lately -- Bush looks to be out for the season with a torn PCL and Vince (who has actually been playing better lately) just doesn't have the same confidence he had at the end of last season.

    Btw -- Mario, Reggie, and Vince were all projects coming out of college.
     
  16. tulexan

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    I would say of the top picks the only one who wasn't a project was AJ Hawk.
     
  17. gucci888

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    Not sure if I would say they were all considered prospects. People were really hyping Bush to be an instant star and franchise player. Out of all 3, I think VY was the only one considered a project since he is a QB.

    MARIO WITH THE SACK!!
     
  18. Desert_Rocket

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    The texans made the correct choice.
     
  19. surrender

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    Mario Williams is a ****ing monster
     
  20. Kerfeld

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    I will admit, I cursed the Texans when they made the pick. I wanted Reggie Bush. Shows what I know. The pick is absolutely justified.
     

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