Have you ever heard of team defense? That is also basic basketball. It was the responsibility of the player that was closest to the Polish Cannon, and that player was Cat. Hopefully this error has provided a learning experience for our young players. ------------------ Why is Gonzaga always given a double digit seed? Just move them to the Sweet 16 where they belong and let them play from there.
We really do need a veteran leader on the team (or a more aggressive coach) who will get in these guy's faces and tell them what to do. I love Mobley but it was a bone-head play. Someone needs to get in his grill and let him know it is a team game and everyone has to work together out there. Quit the b1tching and play! Just my .02
I think your right 4chuckie. Barkley was always the one to take the leader role on the team. Remember how he riped Francis during his rookie season for having too many turnovers. You know damn well he would be on Mobley when he forces up wild shots. ------------------
Now it's so bad that the other teams announcers are gripping on what we've known all season. While I can't think of a better 2 round pick, and Mobley is one of the best guards in the league, I am so F'ing tired of watching him b**** and complain every time he lets go of the ball. He's not the only one, but I'm expecting to see him in the fetal position under the scoring table any game now. Why does he feel that he has to whine every time someone sweats on him? I can't count the number of times his man (or cover man) has beaten him back because he jib jabbin' with the ref at the other end of the court? Dude would get more calls if he would stop acting like a 5 year old. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
sadly, I can see no clear alternatives to the highly talented pinhead (Mobes), nor to the player whose name should forever be linked to the Dick Motta Dictionary's definition of 'gutless', replacing Kenny the Jet (Cato). All the big, tough, physical 5s are locked up, I believe (cap-a-holics, correct me if I'm wrong, especially with respect to Theo Ratliff- ooh baggy, him in the PJs... but I digress) I think the rocks will again get worked by Utah b/c I can't see Mo fighting dirty fire with fire, despite the similarity of his physique with Malone's, and I can't see Franchise opening a bloody chasm upside Stockton's head. The rest of the Jazz are piss-ants, but they're an effective crowd behind the bullies. They match up much better against Seattle. Ummmm.... I think we'll be watching the balls come summertime- Richard Jefferson might be around when they draft. Time for a fresh start at the 3. ------------------ "We mark some days as fair, some as foul, because we do not see that the character of every day is identical."
Mobley should not have been griping to the refs. That was very painful to watch. But if you've ever played basketball in Junior High or High School, one of the basic things you learn is that it is the point guard's responsibility to be the first one back on D. If he takes the shot, it's the 2 guard's responsibility to get back. Francis and Norris were both in the game at the time and one of them should have released to get back on D when the shot went up. Relying on the shooter to prevent layups on the other end is not very sound transition defense.
On that last jumper by Cat, someone else needs to play some help D. Eric "The Rifleman" Piatkowski took off as soon as the ball left his hands. Cuttino could do nothing about it anyway. It was do or die and everyone was crashing the boards, so there was no outlet D. Cuttino and Steve complain way too much--there is no doubt about it. Perception is everything. I will say that Cuttino was not given the calls last night and, at the same time, that last shot was forced up trying to draw a foul. They have to learn that refs rarely play the foul call on the forced up jumpshots down the stretch--unless you are MJ, the Mailman, Reggie or Stevie in 5 years! It will be nice to see them both in a few more years when the youth begins to mature and finally understand the game within the game. Hey, this team is fun to watch, young and has no inside game (inside game--major management downfall in my opinion because we had no backup plan for an injury-plagued Hakeem and lame Cato) ...What do we expect? Give Steve and Cuttino a non-injured Hakeem or another inside presence and this team is deep in the playoffs With that said, if we end up 45 wins or more, that is an accomplishment and major improvement. A few more rebounds, less whining, few more made put-back lay-ups and no big man injury issues and we could be shooting for 50+ wins. Still have a chance and next year looks promising between the draft and possible free agency moves. ------------------ "Their Tiger Kung Fu is strong, but our Dragon will defeat them!"
I honestly think all the complaing & griping they both do is at least a small reason why we don't seem to get many calls. I know refs don't intentially effect games but having someone always criticizing you would have to be a pain. Older vets and the NBA appointed young "stars" seem can get away with it, but these guys don't seem to be able to get away with much. We need to play great basketball to get to the playoffs and the last thing we need is anyone getting tossed or losing game s we shouldn't be losing. FOOOOKAS!
See what I have to put up with? Now show me the 3 goods vs 3 bads on Francis. I'm guessing it is more like 10-1, like he is divine savior of this team. Hey, how do we view the old Hot Topics anyhow; I would have liked to been more thorough. I apologize for not being more thorough. Now let's talk about this bias... I don't consider myself biased FOR Mobley, either. If I have to be labeled that, then you are biased FOR Francis, ... and that, my friends, is Mobley Relativism! [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 23, 2001).]
now back to your topic. Right on. I would fine his ass for that. He needs to mature with that. Francis and Cato do too. Has anyone else noticed that Mo' gets away with a lot of cheap stuff. He knows the ref game the best. I also agree with what TheFreak, 4chuckie, and montgo. No one released, probably because everyone in the house knows that if we fail on that possession the game is over. And even if we succeed, the game is probably still over. The "gamebreaker" wasn't the slam, it was the miss...uh, the Jack. That is probably why we didn't see the defense from anyone else....game over! [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 23, 2001).]
I am just amazed that Eric Piatkowski can dunk. ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
salient point... old timers here will note that despite the brilliance with which Dream has shone through the years, his ability to get calls with 2-3 guys draped all over him in the post has been a relatively recent phenomenon, say, in the past 6-7 years; that is to say, his incessant b****ing and berating of officials early in his career earned him numerous T's, as well as the longstanding ire of the aforementioned. Those two would be better off biting the meat of their palms and heading back down court after crappy calls, and reserve their carping after a bad/no call for specific game situations. 5-6 years into a career seems to give enough time to establish a professional reputation and rapport with the refs- most of them will be around long after the players leave, so it's almost as if they have greater career stability as it is. ------------------ "We mark some days as fair, some as foul, because we do not see that the character of every day is identical."
Mobley and Francis, in fact the whole darn team needs to realize that DEFENSE wins in the NBA. When they start playing defense, night in and night out, then I will believe this team is going to the playoffs. Right now, we are still a very immature, whiny team. We need some veteran leadership. I think we would be LIGHT years ahead of where we are now, if Charles were still on this team. Someone that Francis and Cat have to answer to on the court is what is needed to help them grow up faster. Cuttino is a loose cannon, and that is what frustrates me the most, he is a VERY talented player with a basketball brain the size of a pea. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
I still don't understand how you guys can defend Mobley on this incident. First he jacks up a bad shot, then he runs over to the ref and complains. I personaly was too pissed to watch the replays, so maybe he was hacked (I didn't see it the first two times.... but) however the refs were not going to go into a booth and watch replays for 90 secs and reverse the call ala instant replay. Hopefully Mobes will mature while still in his prime and not when he is an aging vet. ------------------ ``It's bigger than chalupas,''.....Wesley Person
Not being able to control facial expressions, Torrette taunts and hissy histrionics is genetic. DaDakota, I don't think they can change. Drexler never could either. Mobley, Francis, and Cato have the whiny gene. Shandon and KT don't. Mo' doesn't have the gene either, plus he can act. Rodman was King!
Did Piatkowski really dunk? ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
It's 2-1, literally. Oh boy... you got me. <UL>January 26, 2001 by crash5179 "Is there another guard in the NBA that does as many different things as Steve? In only his second year in the league Steve has got to be the most complete guard in the NBA. We can all see parts of his game that need to be polished, but the man does more on the court than anyone." January 8, 2001 by gr8-1 "Francis is out-scoring, out-rebounding, out shooting, has more blocks and steals, and has 3 times as many assists per game as Cuttino Mobley. Cat is averaging 2 assists per game. Who are the 2 guys per game he is creating for?" November 13, 2000 by ZRB "How many times did Steve get right to the hoop for an open layup, and then pass the ball to someone else? One play comes to mind: Francis did this great move to get to the hoop, he had a sure layup with no one near him. He then stupidly passed the ball to Collier for a brick. How long will this go on for? Eventually we will not be able to use the excuse that it is too early in the season. If we want playoffs, the Rockets need to start playing consistently. This starts with Stevie."[/list] What you fail to understand is the Hot Topic is never something that reflects my viewpoints only, and that's what you're accusing me of. When a post catches my eye and I can take 3 or 4 sentences out of it that make a point in and of themselves -- it's "in". That simple. I said nothing to that sort in this thread... no idea where you got that. However, you did take a big swing in regard to me being biased against Mobley, then for Francis, and resulted in a big miss both times... and coming from a guy who absolutely freaked when ClutchPlays was mentioned, this is ridiculous. It's hilarious watching some people react to this initial thread post. Nowhere does it say Mobley is not talented. Nowhere does it say he's a bad player. Nowhere does it say Francis is better than Mobley. Nowhere does it say he is not a leader. However, he made a mistake that is nothing short of bone-headed and stupid at a critical phase of the game. A third party calling the game pointed it out and I quoted it. Still some respond to direct logic with unrelated sunshine: "STOP BEING NEGATIVE!!! WE LOVE YOU CAT! YOU'RE SO TALENTED!" And to think some scoffed when the Rasheed Wallace comparison was made. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Piatkowski....Eric right? He dunked? ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Clutch, I know how you handle the Hot Topic. It is done professionally. You definitely tossed my jab aside...touche. you know I think the front page exemplifies rabid objectivity like the best professionals. but, lets talk about your bias as a person in the bbs...since I thought you called out my bias a couple of times. you called my name out in this thread. Plus you said, "what we have to put up with", which I took as divided the bbs into two camps, as you've done before with your original "sunshine ass" comments. I'm not trying to win an argument here, just trying to explain why I took my jabs that thoroughly missed. I took your callout as directed to those biased for Mobley, or at least for showing how you have to put up with stupid Mobley bias. The difference is Clutch, and why several people email me to keep Championing Mobley's positives, is that the bbs threads are biased toward the "Hate" side of fandom regarding Mobley and exaggerate his mistakes unfairly. People "Love" Francis and exaggerate his ball playing unjustly. Me champion Mobley is no more blind as the Francis lovers...regardless to what CBFC said so eloquently last week about your "we" championing "Relativism"...which I don't believe Don't get defensive, man. You don't put up with Mobley sunshine nearly as much as we put up with Mobley hatas. cheers man. Sorry for the jabs at the front page. egg on my face for that, and the eggs are why I was blind to what the ratio's really were. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 23, 2001).]
also, you never really did try to understand why your "joke" that included describing a Clutchplay could possibly not be funny to me. Difference again Clutch, is a matter of degree. There is nothing I can say that would taint anyone's impression of your professionalism. But you as King here, could mistakenly turn Clutchplays into a joke by using it in jokes. That's the difference....a matter of degrees. Just like Mobley bias vs Francis bias. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 23, 2001).]
