I'm getting tired of Harden's And 1s not counting.

Yeah, I understand they did some things to get rid of certain fouls (the swinging arms, for instance). That's a whole different story that deserves it's own thread.

But this thread isn't about that...it's about continuation. The rule does two things:
1.) Reduces one of (if not) THE most exciting things in the game...the And 1.
2.) Results in MORE foul shots...now a user is shooting two free throws instead of just one.

How are either of these things desirable for the NBA?

 

No, they did some things to address that specifically. They changed the continuation rules this offseason and Harden has been targeted by them. You've had NBA people admit that Harden has been a focal point of the officials. Too much complaining about him from guys.

 

all I'm saying true Rockets fans should be up in arms that the NBA just spent a whole summer changing the rules because Harden scores too much and named it after him

the NBA changed its rules to hinder a specific player's on-court production

fouls are stil fouls
reach ins are still reach ins

they just basically watched hardens and1s and made up some rules against the and1s

 

i believe the new continuation rule results in less foul shots bc the "gather" and not dribbling after the foul isn't applied anymore so they're not giving players free throws for that.

 

Gotcha, I was thinking about when the Rockets are in the bonus the removal of continuation actually results in more free throws. When they're not in the bonus it results in less.

 

The issue is was clear

Harden scores too much

Opponents foul him too much

spent a whole summer to suppress someone's score by changing the rules to change how and1s are called

fouls are still fouls
reachins are still reachins

 

and quitting is still quitting.

lmao jk breh, harden is owning right now!!

 

Right it's ridiculous but it is what it is. The refs have an edict to target Harden. There isn't anything we can do about it. Everything from continuation, to the "shooting vs on the floor" behind the 3 point line to the push offs when getting the inbounds. He's being targeted.

 

He could have dropped 70 tbh

 

You are tired of it? Imagine being James.

 

Exactly this^^^^

I just don't understand the blatant hate towards Houston. The Yao Ming picks. The Martins swing through now Harden's and 1s.

But teams like Golden State get away with illegal screens and players screaming at the refs.

 

It sucks but Harden is an offensive basketball savant so he will figure out how to still be the guy he is despite being held back.

Look I wasnt a fan of the hook around the screen for 3 last season. It was a smart play and help the team win games and it was a foul, but that was what upset the casual fan and media. How many times did we hear about the stat where Harden had been fouled on 3 pointers more than other teams?

Now what I am not a fan of is the application of this rule. It definitely already cost the Rockets a game against the pelicans last week. Harden was fouled on a 3 and he hit during the 4th but the refs waved it off and called it on the floor. The Pels then came down and knocked down a 3 themselves. But what was frustrating in that game was maybe a few plays later Davis got a continuation call that was far worse in terms of "continuation" than Harden's was. It costs the Rockets also a starter for at least 5 games. Harden should have been granted continuation on the first play of the game against Phoenix but they ruled it side out (he made the basket) and then Ariza gets hurt on the next play. These are major issues and the refs are human if there is a rule that is know as the "James Harden rule" they are going to make him to be an example more often than not. He will not get the same benefit of the doubt others get (Paul gets far more continuation plays that he probably wouldn't if the rules were applied to him in the same manner)

Much like Hakeem who refs had no idea if he was travelling or not because of his amazing footwork, Harden is a completely different type of offensive player. He seeks out contact a lot but in a manner different than other players. He extends his arms out looking for a foul, but the problem is that if you dont foul him there he has the uncanny ability to make layups and shots in that position. He is so strong as well that hitting him doesnt always work out.

For whatever reason he is looked at really bad by the media or coaches. I have no idea how the 2015 MVP race was so heavily in favor of Curry over Harden. Don't get me wrong Curry deserved it just as much but the final results were shocking to me I thought it would be closer than it was. To me still that season was Harden's finest performance to date as a member of the Rockets. The following season the dude puts up 29/8/6 or something and doesnt even make an all-nba team because the team barely makes it in as the 8th seed. That was probably just as criminal. Last season he is 2 rebounds short of averaging a triple double despite the team exceeding everyone's expectations and still the final scoring gap between him and Westbrook was far larger than I thought it would be. Really it will take another historical season and Harden not missing anymore games for him to win it, but even then it could be in the air. Media still throw out Curry's name, LeBron's name, Westbrook is close to averaging a triple double again, even Kyrie is being brought up. It must be completely frustrating for Harden to have the goal posts constantly moving for him like that. Even last night Shaq on Inside said that he has had huge season but there are still guys in front of him. He mentioned Kyrie, Curry and Westbrook. And that He needs to win a ring to over take them. First off Kyrie's success was thanks to LeBron. He couldn't lead the Cavs close to the playoffs when LeBron wasn't there. Now to Kyrie's credit he balled out in the finals in 2016. Westbrook hasn't even taken his team as far as Harden has by himself so not sure how Westbrook could be ahead of him like that. Curry of course he has a point about and is amazing but with Curry he has had an amazing team around him the last 4 seasons which has helped him (dont get me wrong I totally understand Curry is the engine for that team and is the primary reason why they've been successful)

I hope the refs understand they've been a bit too harsh with the rule going forward and the Rockets do file a request with the league, because its already cost them 1 game and an injury to a starter.

 

"I don't care about James Harden's 60 point triple double because I can't stand to watch a guy who doesn't play defense shoot 60 free throws because he flops on every single play. Also, he's an unsavory scalawag who spends inordinate amounts of time in dens of sin instead of according himself as a true gentleman like Mister Steph Curry."

Did I get that all right? The NBA has just decided that Harden is the villain of the league. He's going to get screwed no matter what he does.

 

if harden played for the lakers would the league stil have changed the rules?

 

Yes but stars typically don't get called differently than other stars that play the same or similar position, especially on the same team?

 

He did do that a LOT, and obviously, that's why they made the rule. But, If they change the rule they have to be fair about it and not allow it for other players to get away with doing the same thing James does. Even more frustrating to me is when Clint jumps straight up and barely touches a guy and gets a foul, or barely touches their arm and gets a foul, yet James can get pounded driving to the rim at times and get no call.

 

i believe they do. its all relative to each players playing style

 

I think the dirty secret about ref's is they don't actually see it a lot of the time. The call it like they assume it.

 

Harden rule 3. Harden cannot go to the foul line no matter what the circumstances are.

 

The off the screen hook Harden did last season was pretty BS, it's right they stopped calling it.

but now they are not even calling legit fouls that have nothing to do with the hook, they just straight up grab his arm while hes going up for a shot and they dont call a foul