Illinois illegal immigrant driver's licenses available in 10 months

Just shut up already and tax them all, so they can be miserable like the rest of us. For those that already pay taxes, thanks.

 

This is just r****ded logic.
As unethical as it was, we conquered and drove off the Native Americans via military conquest.

 

This is a horrible precedent. You want to relieve the toils of what illegal immigrants are going through but you don't want to make it too appealing to be an illegal immigrant. It should be held under the same idea of relieving the trials and tribulations of the impoverished in this country. Sure they get welfare checks to hash out a living, but its still not appealing to be impoverished. There is yet an incentive to attempt to move up the income chain.

Whereas something like this? Where is the incentive to become a citizen? Its already a long and difficult process...

 

Which of these people have said they want to outlaw firearms?

Where are you getting this from? I have yet to see a serious proposal to outlaw the owning of firearms.

 

Cops don't deport people.

Getting a drivers license is an incentive to become an illegal immigrant? Is this something that illegal immigrants are clamoring for?

 

Now is the time for each and every Hispanic lobby in the country to start pushing measures like this. At this point, even Republicans are going to fall all over themselves to get on board the Hispanic Vote Train.

At any rate, the only way to effectively reduce illegal immigration would be to require employers to pay illegal immigrants at least minimum wage or to actually start enforcing the laws that require employers to have documentation for their employees, and to pay large fines if they don't.

 

Forget about trying to tumble the argument to the extreme. What's so scary about putting illegal immigrants on the same radar that citizens are already on?

 

Its no so much an incentive FOR illegal immigration as it is a deincentivizer for becoming a US citizen. The process already is extremely difficult and long, I understand that many illegal immigrants absolutely need licenses to commute to and from work...

The idea is great, its just hopefully this doesn't spur a whole new plethora of legislation aimed at giving illegal immigrants less incentive to become an actual citizen.

 

What are the benefits of citizenship again?

Rocket River

 

Except illegal immigrants already want to become citizens for the most part - it's simply not an option for them. I don't think there's anyone out there that's illegal that is thinking "you know, I'm OK being illegal, but only if I can get a driver's license."

Addressing the OP's point, I also don't think there's anyone that's going to say "I would sneak into the US and become an illegal immigrant there, but only if I can get a driver's license!"

 

For starters, you don't have to fear deportation and the idea that, one random day, your entire life could be uprooted and you might be sent to another country. You can get better jobs. You can access more health care. You can get a passport and travel. Basically, you can live a normal life.

I don't think anyone considers having a driver's license one of the major benefits of being a citizen.

 

If it allows them to be more productive, particularly in a city with little mass transport, and convicted rapists and murderers can still have them, then I don't really mind this.

 

this is nothing more than politics from the left. Posturing to get the hispanic vote

 

I think the fear of deportation is less and less everyday.
We do seem to making more strides in reducing that possibility.
The drivers License and lack of fear, not to mention the ever growing lack of any kind of enforcement on companies that hired illegal aliens will find that competition for those better jobs will increase.
Passports and travel can be gotten back in their native country.

It may not be a 'major benefit' but it is a part of an ever increasing benefit stream for illegal immigrants that make the status of illegal more. . . comfortable and secure

Rocket River

 

I am not sure I buy the assumption that every illegal immigrant wants citizenship.
I think if they can get all the benefit without taking the paperwork . . . they would

and it seems that is exactly what is happening.

Rocket River

 

To say there's a growing lack of enforcement on companies that hire illegal aliens is unfair. I have friends who are undercover DHS agents and that's pretty much all they do. Infiltrate huge companies, (blue and white collar) document, and then raid. There are just so many cheaters out there that it way outnumbers the resources.

It's just silly that over the last 20 years, North America has integrated every market except labor. Economics drives the illegal labor hiring. Before all the new "border security" pushes, there were less traffic points and much greater rate of return to Mexico. All this money spent has been a debacle. It's like, you have to spend 100 times more to get it right, or change the laws. Everything now is just a facade of control.