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Illinois illegal immigrant driver's licenses available in 10 months

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by magnetik, Jan 30, 2013.

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What part of "illegal" do they not understand? I guess it's appropriate considering it's the same people that say they don't want you to own firearms.. yet it's ok for illegals to have drivers licenses? Wtf is in the water up there?

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Gov. Pat Quinn signed a bill into law Sunday allowing illegal immigrants to get special driver's licenses, but it will be at least another 10 months before they'll start being issued.

The Illinois secretary of state's office estimates it'll need that much time to finalize rules and train employees about who qualifies and what paperwork can be accepted.

The lag time did little to dampen the mood of hundreds who braved icy weather to watch the ceremonial bill signing on Chicago's Southwest Side. The fanfare at Instituto del Progreso Latino included performances by a mariachi band and a roster of speakers 15 dignitaries deep. Supporters said the measure will make it easier for undocumented immigrants to get insurance.

"This bill is not just about driver's licenses, it's about equality for all," said sponsoring Rep. Edward Acevedo, D-Chicago.

Called temporary visitor driver's licenses, the permits will vary from traditional licenses several ways. Most noticeably, they will be visually different, with a blue background as opposed to red one.

The cards will be marked "not valid for identification" and cannot be used for things like boarding airplanes, voting or purchasing a gun. The licenses will only be valid for three years instead of four years, like traditional licenses. After three years, the individual would have to go through the process again.

To qualify for a license, an applicant must prove they have lived in Illinois for a least a year and show that they are ineligible for a Social Security card. Documents that will be accepted include a copy of a lease, utility bills and a valid passport or consular identification card.

Drivers must also pass vision, written and road tests and pay a $30 fee. In order for the license to remain valid, a driver also will be required to get insurance. If a person with a temporary visitor's license is caught driving without insurance, they will be ticketed for both driving without insurance as well as driving without a license.

People who want to apply for the licenses must first make an appointment at one of eight designated facilities across the state. Licenses will not be issued on the spot but only after the state can verify application information and perform a facial recognition search against other databases.

Critics have said they fear fraud and abuse, with some lawmakers saying illegal immigrants should be fingerprinted in order to qualify. Immigrant rights organizations said that would deter participation among a population that is often distrustful of law enforcement and other government agencies.

Despite some opposition, Quinn and others praised the way in which Democrats and Republicans alike helped get the measure passed, saying people came before politics. "It was everybody in, and nobody left out," Quinn said, using one of his favorite lines.

Supporters say the next goal is winning comprehensive immigration reform at the national level.

"So goes Illinois, so goes the country," Mayor Rahm Emanuel said at Sunday's event. "Let's take this day and build a better future by passing immigration reform."
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Not sure how the Supreme Court can allow this.

#2 tallanvor, Jan 30, 2013
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Completely r****ded. And dem's wonder why they face so much opposition.

#3 Space Ghost, Jan 30, 2013
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I know in other states undocumented workers somehow had licenses, but this was back in 2006...not sure how the law has changed since then. I do think illegal immigrants should have some form of ID or something, just for tracking purposes. Everyone should be on the grid...it's just better for law enforcement.

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Kim said: ↑

I know in other states undocumented workers somehow had licenses, but this was back in 2006...not sure how the law has changed since then. I do think illegal immigrants should have some form of ID or something, just for tracking purposes. Everyone should be on the grid...it's just better for law enforcement.
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Interesting that the card will say "not valid for identification".

#5 NotInMyHouse, Jan 30, 2013
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I don't understand this.

#6 rhadamanthus, Jan 30, 2013
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Yeah I don't know about that. If you want to be equal and have the rights and privileges of an American then you kind of have to be an American.

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Wouldn't this open you up to deportation?

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LOL Haters gonna Hate. No one is going to mess with Hispanics right now, they are the most important group to both political parties right now. Hispanics are going to get whatever they want. All Americans are Illegal to Native Americans yet we still have rights.

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Space Ghost said: ↑

Completely r****ded. And dem's wonder why they face so much opposition.
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Yup thats why they have the presidency. HHAHAH

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Space Ghost said: ↑

Completely r****ded. And dem's wonder why they face so much opposition.
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Firstly, for people who think only Dems got this passed:

Despite some opposition, Quinn and others praised the way in which Democrats and Republicans alike helped get the measure passed, saying people came before politics. "It was everybody in, and nobody left out," Quinn said, using one of his favorite lines.
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And secondly:

The cards will be marked "not valid for identification" and cannot be used for things like boarding airplanes, voting or purchasing a gun. The licenses will only be valid for three years instead of four years, like traditional licenses. After three years, the individual would have to go through the process again.

To qualify for a license, an applicant must prove they have lived in Illinois for a least a year and show that they are ineligible for a Social Security card. Documents that will be accepted include a copy of a lease, utility bills and a valid passport or consular identification card.

Drivers must also pass vision, written and road tests and pay a $30 fee. In order for the license to remain valid, a driver also will be required to get insurance. If a person with a temporary visitor's license is caught driving without insurance, they will be ticketed for both driving without insurance as well as driving without a license.

People who want to apply for the licenses must first make an appointment at one of eight designated facilities across the state. Licenses will not be issued on the spot but only after the state can verify application information and perform a facial recognition search against other databases.

Critics have said they fear fraud and abuse, with some lawmakers saying illegal immigrants should be fingerprinted in order to qualify. Immigrant rights organizations said that would deter participation among a population that is often distrustful of law enforcement and other government agencies.

Despite some opposition, Quinn and others praised the way in which Democrats and Republicans alike helped get the measure passed, saying people came before politics. "It was everybody in, and nobody left out," Quinn said, using one of his favorite lines.
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Uh so those eligible will have a passport, lease, utility bills, lived in Illinois for minimum 1 year and are still illegal immigrants?

#11 brantonli24, Jan 30, 2013
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wait till 11 million illegals qualify for Obamacare...

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wait till 11 million illegals qualify for Obamacare...
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LOL U MAD???

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brantonli24 said: ↑

Firstly, for people who think only Dems got this passed:

And secondly:

Uh so those eligible will have a passport, lease, utility bills, lived in Illinois for minimum 1 year and are still illegal immigrants?
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I think it's because they don't have a social. The govt won't give them an SS because an illegal immigrant is usually paying into the system with a shared legit number, but won't claim the money.

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Why would people be opposed to this?

The illegal immigrants are going to be there regardless (state police don't enforce immigration law). Would you rather have them be documented or undocumented?

Pretending they don't exist doesn't help fix anything.

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Commodore said: ↑

wait till 11 million illegals qualify for Obamacare...
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Would that be better or worse than 11 million illegals going to the emergency room and stiffing us legal and insured with the bill? But then that's accepting your premise as true, which it is not.

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Major said: ↑

Why would people be opposed to this?

The illegal immigrants are going to be there regardless (state police don't enforce immigration law). Would you rather have them be documented or undocumented?

Pretending they don't exist doesn't help fix anything.
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I sort of agree with this. If the costs are acceptable, then the bigger issue to me is getting everyone on the grid. I hate the idea of having illegal aliens being like ghosts. It only helps the seedy underworld of cash, non-taxing, crime...it's just bad. I think we can tackle the immigration issue and still should be able to govern those who are here. It's a duty, and not for their sake, but for the sake of our own safety. The only two drawbacks here are the cost issue and the slippery slope towards legitimization issue. I think the benefits to society outweigh the cost (realized and unrealized).

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Will they have to give their address? What would stop cops from going to their house and deporting them?

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Kim said: ↑

I sort of agree with this. If the costs are acceptable, then the bigger issue to me is getting everyone on the grid. I hate the idea of having illegal aliens being like ghosts. It only helps the seedy underworld of cash, non-taxing, crime...it's just bad. I think we can tackle the immigration issue and still should be able to govern those who are here. It's a duty, and not for their sake, but for the sake of our own safety. The only two drawbacks here are the cost issue and the slippery slope towards legitimization issue. I think the benefits to society outweigh the cost (realized and unrealized).
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Getting everyone 'on the grid' sounds scary.
Almost like you want to track everyone's movements all the time

Not to derail but . .. would you be against microchip implantation?

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Air Langhi said: ↑

Will they have to give their address? What would stop cops from going to their house and deporting them?
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I think it is against the law for the law to enforce that law
I think you need to be a special kind of law to enforce that law
but the special kind of law will not have access to the information the regular law has . . . ..

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