Illegal alien deporated twice before responsible for the death of NFL Colts LB

Ignorant statement. Obviously, stuff like this will always happen but if you can prevent it and a party is refusing to cooperate so less happens then that's something that needs to be addressed. You can deport illegal and make it hard for them to come back but can't deport legal Americans.

 

Just in case anyone actually cares about this issue, the vast majority of illegals coming through the Brownsville sector are women being sold into sex work, Houston is one of the biggest hubs in the US for that kind of stuff. Walls don't stop boats, and they don't interdict tractor-trailers on 59.

Someone explain to me again why we need to spend all this money on a wall to solve a problem that is not really a problem that a wall wouldn't even solve to begin with?

 

I think it's important to have a physical border as one part of the solution. I don't think anyone that matters believes that a wall is a cure-all, it's just one part of the solution that will make it more difficult to simply walk into the country.

 

We already have that. We've had it for a long time now. Beef it up, sure, where needed (technology is a wonderful thing), but this "build a new physical wall" bullsh!t, especially in places like Big Bend and the Laredo sector, is just ****ing asinine pandering to idiots who don't know anything about those areas.

Do you know they're using imminent domain to take people's land (it's 90+% private land along the "border" wall) and put a wall through the middle of it? I.E. you cannot access your property because it's on the wrong side? It's not a wall on the edge of the river like you see on a map. They're cutting some of the most valuable wildlife/wilderness areas into pieces as well. I think it was the Santa Ana WMA, down in the Valley, that gets 150K+ visitors every year (winter texans, they stay and spend money and - allegedly some of the best birdwatching in North America - support the local economy) and it will be inaccessible.

That's bullsh!t. Convince me otherwise.

 

Land along the border is some of the worst and cheapest land in the country. Let's not pretend that it's prime real estate for the sake of a narrative. That said, I'm sure it wouldn't be 100% painless but it's not like building a wall on or near the edge of that land would kill the birdwatching or run off the wildlife. They'll still be there.

When it comes to the actual wall, sure, in some areas it is impractical to build a wall, and that's why it would only be one part of the solution, but having a legit wall over the majority of the border would certainly make it a bit more difficult for people to simply walk in or to exploit a weak fence.

Worst case scenario, you wasted some money on something that didn't legitimately hurt anyone and provided some people jobs for a while during the time they were building it. The US wastes money on more foolish things every year. It just doesn't seem like that should be the stumbling block for immigration reform.

 

You love the concept of the "narrative" don't you? It's like your get out of jail free card that allows you to dismiss anything the other person is saying. That's just your narrative. It's an impressive skill, I'll admit.

You should really research and read about things before speaking. When I mentioned pandering to people that don't have a ****ing clue about the land in question...well, thanks for being Exhibit Q. Here's some starters, but a simple google search will help you out.

http://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/14/how-using-eminent-domain-to-seize-land-f

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-and-animal-species-on-the-u-s-mexico-border/

http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article142164639.html

Again, explain why we need to spend all this money to fix a problem that's been largely fixed for a decade? Nobody (serious) is saying we shouldn't have a well-regulated southern border (amongst other things). The question is always about how. Saying "eh, if it doesn't work that's ok we've wasted money on other things" is an incredibly craven position to take. Why not NOT waste money and spend it on things we know will be beneficial...like this new infrastructure program that we have no idea how to pay for?

*yes, I know I said "imminent" domain earlier and I'm not changing it.

 

That spells it out pretty simply. Also, at least 25%-40% of undocumented workers come in and just overstay their visas. So perhaps airports are where we should build the wall.

 

Jackson's death was no more tragic or important than any one else who has been killed by a drunk driver yet his gets called out so the President can make a political point. The President politicized his talking point (illegal immigration) yet chastises those who politicize gun control (for example) after a tragedy. He continues to try and have it both ways.

 

A man who travels over 1500 miles isn't going to be stopped by a wall. The wall is the easy part. The wall is everything hated about wasteful government spending.

Enhanced surveillance is a great idea, and indeed re-deporting is clearly not an effective solution.

 

Agree with this part. Why are we singling out illegal aliens, who cause a miniscule amount of trouble in this country?

Do you want to really talk about drunk driving deaths? Deaths by firearm? Diabetes? These are problems.

There is no logic in worrying over the tiny numbers of crimes and infractions committed by illegals unless someone has a different motive entirely: scapegoating immigrants for the nation's myriad problems. It's weak sauce, and only the worst peoples in history resort to this kind of thing. Don't be among them.

Hell yes, that's the America we can be proud of. And godspeed to the prosecution.

 

Honestly, wouldn't this look so much prettier with a giant wall stuck right down the middle of the river?

 

You will always have illegal immigrants in the USA unless you plan on getting rid or visas. A lot of of illegal immigrants come to the USA legally and don't leave. How much money and resources do you want to put into hunting down them down and deport them?

 

How do immigrants re-enter illegally after being deported? Seems like there should be a lifetime ban on entering the country through legal channels after being in it illegally.

 

That man will be greatly slowed down by a proper wall though and when combined with other things like surveillance blimps and drones it would make it considerably more difficult to cross the border illegally. At the very least, it doesn't legitimately harm anyone....so again, it's foolish to make a wall the stumbling block for immigration reform.

I could see the "wasteful government spending" argument if we had anything close to a fiscally responsible government but it falls flat when it comes from the party that was content to run trillion+ deficits every year until they lost complete control of congress. In a perfect world, the money spent on the wall would be cut from other areas so as to not add to the deficit, but let's fact it, that's too much to ask from congress no matter who is in charge. Either way, it's essentially a drop in the bucket and IMO worth it for meaningful immigration reform.

Sure, you'll always have some, but with the right reforms you can make that a fairly tiny number rather than 10 million+ that you are dealing with now. When you get a handle on the problem and the numbers are in the hundreds of thousands rather than the millions, it'll be an issue for the back burner.

 

But this one could have been prevented if we had better border security and again I ask where was your outrage when Obama used shootings to promote gun control?

 

Because unlike stupid ass border walls sensible firearm policies actually stop bad things from happening.

 

Personally, I think we should investigate reasonable gun control.

 

bullshit. Walls works. Gun control doesn't work as has been illustrated many times now.

 

I also think we should continue to investigate and pursue reasonable border security.