lol, what massive welfare program? This isn't sweden or even canada. It's not like illegal workers don't pay taxes either.
Mexico cares a great deal if non-mexicans enter their country. They have much stricter immigration laws than the U.S. After reading about all the restrictions they put on LEGAL immigrants in Mexico one can only wonder how they treat the illegal immigrants.
They're treated pretty badly. They have their own illegal immigration issues on their southern border and they go all out when it comes to doing anything to stop the flow of illegal immigrants. To put it nicely, they do stuff that I doubt anyone here would be very tolerant of.
there's no way i watch my kids live like that. with disease and hunger and thirst. no way. not when i can work across the border...doing jobs that the people of that country no longer wish to do. i don't see those people as having much of a choice, frankly.
what if these people are BLACK? would that change your opinion? i clearly remember you defending the New Orleans looters, for basically the same thing, breaking the law to feed their families (and steal some heinekens), yet it is somehow different when illegals (mexicans) do it
A lot of illegal workers don't pay taxes. In fact all the illegal workers I know don't pay taxes, they take cash. Some of them do file income tax report. But their income are very difficult to trace. They could file a very low annual income, say $15000 with 1 kid, thus they are exempt from paying taxes. But they do leave a tax record, something will help to prove their existence in US when next amnesty comes.
It doesn't matter if they file a return or not, it is the employer who does the withholding. As a consequence illegal aliens contribute billions to social security without being entitled to any benefits. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/b...0353600&partner=kmarx&pagewanted=all&position That does not even take into account the sales and property taxes paid by illegal immigrants - and as you note most don't make enough money to have much federal income tax liability anyway, so the perception of them as a bunch of free riders as far as taxes go is severely defective.
I wouldn't compare Jim Crow era and Hitler's laws to current US immigration laws. The former were race/religion based discrimination. Illegals are illegals regardless of race, religion, nationality, etc. Come here documented, that's all.
Maybe legally, but I think people are for more concerned about illegal immigration from south of the border than north of it. Though terrorists illegally entering across our borders have all come in from the northern border.
What if they are Muslim? Would that change your opinion about a law that is inforced in EVERY country in the world.
i don't know why you're bringing other countries up in this conversation, i was just pointing out how RR seems to contradict his stands on breaking the law, on one hand it's ok if looters do it to feed their family, but it's not ok if mexicans (or Central Americans, Asians, etc.) do it, double standard no? and i'll point out that i am not for illegal immigration, just that i understand why people do it and i just wish Mexico would clean its act up and become a first world country, it has the resources and the willpower of the people, it's just the corrupt nature of the country that will not let this happen
i don't recall saying mexicans Cubans Haitians etc I said ILLEGAL ALIENS If they Jamaicans, Haitians, Costa Ricans, French, Nigerians, Egyptians DOESN'T MATTER If you are ILLEGAL . .YOU ARE ILLEGAL as far as I know folx from New Orleans were not ILLEGAL nor were they IMMIGRANTS Please let me know if they were Illegal Breaking the Law to Feed you Family is still breaking the law I never said i did not understand it . . but I am saying the law is the law ALSO Breaking the Law by illegally entering a country IMO is quite different in that it is a matter of challenging the Soverieinty of a Nation and National Borders . . . So you compare People reacting to a Natural Disaster to people in a country of their own design the Situation in New Orleans and the situation in Mexico is an Apples and Oranges comparison Mexicans from MExico have options those in New Orleans did not [ALSO the looters in New Orleans. . CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELEIF were not all black] Rocket River ILLEGAL . . .LEGAL . .. race is irrelevent
1. It is ok to kill a man trying to kill you so 2. it is ok to kill a man . .. because he is in your way That is about the same comparison Rocket River I guess if i say yes to 1 but not to 2 . . .then I'm having a double standard there too
because if people from other countries like asia, and africa be comming to the US in the same way would there be mass protests like this? The truth is the government never tried to enforce the law until it became a issue with elections comming up. BTW I really dont think this has anything to do with race, so what if your mexican, if you came to this country legally then you should enjoy the full benefits of this country. But if you are not I dont care if you are British, Chinese, Nigerian, or Mexican, you have to either try to come in through in a legal way or get out of my country! And about the feeding family part, I really do feel for those people who are unfortunate down there, I truely am, but there are millions like them or even in a worser situation then them in other places of the world (Africa, South Asia, ext) but having them all comeover to a country that they are not familiar with and dont know the language is not the answer. This is not a racial issuse but a issuse that would require changes in ways that certain countries are ran.
If you think a poor campesino has any more control over his fate than a poor New Orleans resident - that's highly ignorant - unless you think Mexicans have the ability to "design" to who, where and how they're born. Your theory rests on this chestnut: Poor Mexicans are responsible for their fate for being members of a country of "their own design" because they are from mexico, but New Orleans residents are not responsible for living in a city of "their own design" even though they are from New Orleans, and are thus excused from the sanctity of "THE LAW" as defined by you. Given the comparative scarcity of economic resources, a poor mexican has a lot fewer opportunities at his fingertips than a poor american (black white brown whatever), which is why the come here in the first place, entiendes chico? I agree with others, it's absolutely ludicrous for you to take the sanctimonious stand on "LAW AND ORDER" given your willingness to set it aside in other contexts; it's hard not to belive color is coloring your views.
People in New Orleans did not Cause a Cat 4 hurricane to hit them no . . .i do not think they did MINUS the Hurricane they were making it work as best they could dealing with their lot in life as best they could. BTW I am no expert on Mexico But are they not a Democratic Country Do they not vote? or are they overrun with such corruption that their vote is a sham? Tell Me about Mexico It is just a country for fifedoms run by local government officials where the average person is nothing more than a Serf? Please, Explain Mexican government and the average Mexican person to me Are not Haitians, Jamaicans, Africans, etc . . of color in which you are trying to imply something about. In Fact would not RWANDANS during the genocide there have a stronger argument to get here?? It is absoluely Ludicrous to compare the victims of a Natural Disaster to a group of people just running through the borders nilly willy but by bring race into it is easier to attack me than my argument Rocket River
No, did they not choose to themselves not to leave the city when everybody else did? Did they not choose to live in a city that was in a flood zone surrounded by badly built levies? Why didn't they get their goverment to fix them? New Orleans residents vote too you know. if you're going to apply a rigorous standard to hold the poor mexican peasant responsible for all of his country's economic ills, I don't understand why I can't do the same for any New Orleans resident. Mexicans are responsible for their own lot, but NO residents are not? LOL, that's right, I forgot about the magical chupacabra powers of global macroeconomic control that most lazy ass Mexicans don't utilize so they can cross the desert to clean toilets, the lazy bums! And I still don't understand why any of these things makes looting a case of beer ok according to your hyper-sanctimonious respect for law and order. The heart of your equation is the following: A poor Mexican peasant can control global economics and politics and should be held to a higher standard and never break the law ever even if his children might starve, while a New Orleans resident was, absolutely, utterly, and completely powerless to change his path in life and can loot with abandon, because there is no set of circumstances in which he/she could have done anything differently. (of course there are hurricanes in Mexico too - so does that mean that only hurricane stricken Mexicans can emigrate? Please elaborate, RR....) As I said before, if you think a poor Mexican campesino has any more control over his economic situation than somebody in New Orleans does - you don't understand enough to make a judgment about either. It is much easier to attack you than your argument because of your posting style which, quite frankly, makes you look like you possess the writing and reasoning capacity of a 12 year old. While I respect your right to express your opinion, your online persona is not very impressive to me, at all. That was attacking you. The previous paragraphs I was attacking your reasoning - which was not worth the HTML it is typed on; You've constructed a textbook double standard (Mexicans have to accept being born poor in a crappy country and can't break the law no matter what, while poor black New Orleans residents can declare open season on liquor stores because they can't control the weather) that could not be plainer and there's not more to say.
