1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Iko] Rockets not looking to trade Tate

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Jul 3, 2023.

  1. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,615
    Likes Received:
    56,404
    I have the new CBA

    Salary wrt the floor is calculated like always: likely incentives are treated as active salary, unlikely incentives not. If you are not over *at the beginning of the year*, you lose your tax distribution rights. If at any time during the year you drop below the floor, you have to get back over immediately by the following day. And obviously, at end of year, only earned incentives are counted.
     
    kspires999 and ElPigto like this.
  2. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    We have $14M in space available right now, and with Tate as matching salary that’s $21M. Or with a waive and stretch of Tate it’s $19M in space.

    The thing is - we can’t carry it into the season for flexibility!

    The space disappears at the end of the moratorium when the Brooks S&T is executed. The only flexibility” we can take into the season would be the RMLE, which can only be used to sign free agents and not in trades. We’re not going to be signing buyout guys, so that would have zero value.

    So it is $14M - $21M of exploding cap space that we can only use in the next 3 days with literally zero opportunity cost if we don’t take back money beyond 2024-25, since we won’t be a tax team.

    Not using that to improve the team by getting a forward who doesn’t kill the offense, or at least to eat money for a pick… that would be malpractice.
     
  3. ThatBoyNick

    ThatBoyNick Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    28,558
    Likes Received:
    43,952
    If true, our rotation is set. Any other roster additions should be expected to be bench warmers.

    They said adding shooting was important and they just didn't...

    if you would have told me Martin, Christopher, Garuba, Washington, Nix, Boban, WCS and Kamisky would all be gone, that we cleared 8 roster spaces and spent every dollar of our cap space, I would have been sure our team significantly improved its spacing.

    The lack of spacing additions, and Brooks 4 year guaranteed deal are huge bummers this off season.
     
  4. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,615
    Likes Received:
    56,404
    Not “right now”. Only if we combine all our trades into a single SnT for Brooks…see my previous post in this thread.

    As of “right now”, this is where we are at, per Iko.

     
  5. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    Nope, that’s a misunderstanding of the reporting.

    It’s the moratorium, so “right now” we have $65 million in space and TyTy, Garuba, Josh Christopher, and KJM are still on our team.

    Of course, the trades and contracts we’ve agreed to are 100% going to be executed in substance. So all those players are actually gone and the FA contracts we signed will happen on July 6th.

    However, there are operational levers and choices we can unilaterally make that change how we execute our end of the transactions that leave use with optionality to have up to $14M in cap space, “right now”. All those levers and choices are made on July 6th.

    The biggest one being whether we choose to take the Green contract into the RMLE, or the Landale contract into the RMLE, or neither.

    That’s entirely up to us and we have until July 6th to think about and can’t actually do it until then. If we choose the Landale contract into the RMLE, we have ~$14M in space (and Tate’s contract to trade or stretch to get up to $19M or $21M).

    If we choose neither, then you get what is stated in the tweet - $4.5M in space and the $7.7M room exception, which can’t be used for trades and provides no value if we carry it into the season.
     
    #45 carl_herrera, Jul 3, 2023
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2023
    saleem likes this.
  6. evo8lover

    evo8lover Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2011
    Messages:
    418
    Likes Received:
    530
    Malik Beasley is available still I think he’s a good shooter why don’t we look at him
     
    Hui, saleem and opticon like this.
  7. Holybats

    Holybats Member

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2022
    Messages:
    140
    Likes Received:
    167
    It is his last chance until trade deadline.
     
  8. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    108,237
    Likes Received:
    158,321
    Another overvalued “asset” that Stone will hold onto too long. @Aruba77
     
  9. Furious Jam

    Furious Jam Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2002
    Messages:
    2,656
    Likes Received:
    1,221
    Cam should be looking at 6 month leases in the Valley.
     
  10. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    As of right now:

    Amen — not going to be guarded at the three point line
    Brooks — not going to be guarded at the three point line
    Tate — not going to be guarded at the three point line
    Tari — not going to be guarded at the three point line
    Jabari — not going to be guarded at the three point line (127th/127 in 3P% among players who took 4 per game last year)
    Sengun — not going to be guarded at the three point line
    Landale — not going to be guarded at the three point line
    Jeff Green — not going to be guarded at the three point line


    Challenge: construct a Rockets lineup without at least 3 players defenses will ignore outside the paint
     
  11. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    64,219
    Likes Received:
    26,971
    Of course he's untouchable, he's a terrible shooter and that's the identity Udoka wants for this team.
     
    anthony59237 likes this.
  12. Icehouse

    Icehouse Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2000
    Messages:
    13,470
    Likes Received:
    3,814
    Either way...we ****ed up dumping players salary for nothing without something concrete in place.
     
    leebigez likes this.
  13. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    90,955
    Likes Received:
    43,821
    They are after line backers again and sturdy players.
     
  14. Francis3422

    Francis3422 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2000
    Messages:
    8,118
    Likes Received:
    5,878
    Tate has some value but I really want that spot (2/3/4 backup) to be a sniper.
     
    evo8lover likes this.
  15. mightybosstone

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    3,445
    Likes Received:
    5,840
    That's important context I was missing. I forgot about the sign and trade issue with Brooks. That being said, adding bodies just to add bodies could still hurt their financial flexibility in future years unless they're just adding guys on one-year deals like they did with Landale and Green. If there's an impact player to be had out there who makes sense, won't break the bank and won't create a log jam ahead of the young players, go for it. I just don't think there's a lot of guys who fit that description out there.
     
    carl_herrera likes this.
  16. Denovo

    Denovo Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2019
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    2,684
    ****… i wanted Tate gone so bad smh.
     
  17. carl_herrera

    carl_herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2023
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    1,112
    We're almost definitely not planning to be a cap space team next season, we're planning to be one again in two seasons based on all the reporting and how we've structured contracts. So 2 year money doesn't affect our flexibility literally at all since we'll be nowhere near the tax either. Taking on 3 year money I agree they shouldn't / wouldn't do.

    Grant Williams is 100% gettable on a high AAV 2 year deal + team option.
    PJ Washington same.
    Duncan Robinson has basically 2 years left, he could help us and we could get either a bad frp or a few srp's for taking his contract on for that time.
    Grayson Allen could give us some shooting and Milwaukee wants to be off that contract; we could probably get him + a srp into our space.
    Marvin Bagley, Richaun Holmes, Devonte Graham... many others. We could take them into our space for a few srp's at no opportunity cost to anything else we're trying to do, and then just waive them.

    Just sitting on the space and letting expire would be lighting assets on fire.
     
  18. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    62,615
    Likes Received:
    56,404
    It is incorrect to say we have “unilateral” ability to get $14.5m in cap room. My main point was not considering the expanded, multi-team Brooks SnT a done deal, yet. But I’m OK if you want to go ahead and say so.

    Even then, I would only agree on $12.4m, because 14.5m requires Landale taking slightly less money, since he currently does not fit into a Room Exception. He’s close, but he, in fact, would have to take less 1st yr salary than he already agreed to.

    ——————————————

    But, all that aside, the Rockets don’t look at things this way. Iko and Feigen are reporting $4.5m, because that is what the Rockets are saying.

    They want to keep the RMLE moving forward. This means Green is going into pure cap space, and thus, they only have $4.5m left, as reported, but keep RMLE for future use.
     
    #58 heypartner, Jul 3, 2023
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2023
    saleem likes this.
  19. Believe It!

    Believe It! Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    4,174
    Likes Received:
    5,957
    If he can fix his shot he'd be great.

    Especially on that contract.
     
  20. JW86

    JW86 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    6,983
    Likes Received:
    9,054
    I like Tate, it was night and day when he came back, great news!
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now