why do we need dontrelle willis?????? we need a bat more than a starting pitcher!! or am i just delusional?
Hirsh, Wandy, and Astio for Cabrea and D. Willis!!!! if there is anyway we could pull that off! the Tim P. would be my hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or if there is anyway we can get Tejhada out of Baltimore then i would be all for that as well..
because our starting 5 would be among the best ever. because roger and/or andy won't be back next season. because dontrelle is proven. because dontrelle is young. because dontrelle is a great guy who would fit in well with this team.
depends on what i had to give up. and what else is really available. and what else i'd have to give up to get "what else is really available."
i'd still rather have a bat. no thanks to willis bc we already have good prospects and young pictchers already. our offense blows balls quite often.
i'm all for giving up deadweight, but you're not going to get anything but other teams' deadweight in return. to get quality, we're going to have to give up top prospects, and if i could use those prospects to get a young, proven MLBer like crawford or, to a lesser degree, willis, i'd do it in a heartbeat. all prospects are crapshoots. people fall too much in love with potential. lane is 29; he's been a full-time big leaguer for roughly a year and a half, and has sucked for a year of it. wandy is 27 - that's not young for a pitching prospect. they have no value whatsoever unless you want to deal for someone else's jason lane and/or wandy rodriguez.
Would you trade away Roy Oswalt for the likes of Wandy Rodriguez and Jason Lane? If not, why would people expect anyone else to trade Dontrelle Willis or Carl Crawford for them? The guys you're suggesting trading for are better, younger and have more potential than they guys you're trading away - why on earth would the other team do that?
Im not saying we're gonna get a stud for just Wandy and Jason Lane...but we need to package a couple of those players in no matter what we do because if we don't we'll have too many position players and no where to put them. Teams willing to sell at the deadline aren't trying to load up to win their division. So you give them some prospects and/or young players who still have potential. If say Florida for example wanted to get a player of equal value (say Oswalt) to Dontrelle then why would they be giving up Dontrelle in the first place? Package say Wandy and Lane in with a top prospect like Nieve, Buccholz or Hirsch and I'm sure you could get something of value. Under no circumstances whould I trade away all our good young pitchers when we'll most likely need them next season. Like I said, if Purpura is any good at dealing he'll be able to get something of value without giving up the farm. Here's a thought, why not deal Lamb and change for a corner outfielder; he's pretty hot right now and could fetch something of value. And that'll move Berkman back to first where I'd rather he be (despite those awesome assists he had). And that might put more consistency into the lineup and in the field. There's too much shuffling going on right now just to find a decent lineup. And I know, trade away one of our hottest hitters?! But we could get a good hitter/outfielder in return and help solidify the starting positions and lineup.
But the point is - this doesn't help them. Those teams like the Marlins are trying to get younger so they can win in 2008 or 2009. Getting players like Lane or Wandy doesn't really do that - they are basically marginal talent that can be easily found elsewhere . So you're trading Willis for a prospect - but if they were going to do that, they'd rather just keep Willis. If you're going to trade a superstar young player, and you're trying to win a few years down the road, you're going to want multiple top-level prospects in the hopes that at least one pans out. Besides that, because of the number of teams in the race, the market favors the sellers (as it did last year) so they can ask even higher prices and hope that any of about 15 teams is willing to pay. You can throw in Lane or Wandy to any deal - but it's not going to reduce the core demand for 2+ top prospects if you want a young superstar in return. To expand on that, if we were out of the race, would you trade a proven Oswalt for a top unproven prospect and two mediocre MLB players (young or otherwise)?
I dunno. Depends on what the team's overall plan is. I just don't wanna give up 2 of our top picthing prospects that could weaken this team's chances beyond this year. Add to that, the team is trying to get a bat and it seems logical to package a few position players, prospects or active players. Like I said, as much I like Lamb and the contributions he made this year, it could be an opportuninty to pakcage him in a deal for true corner outfielder.
You call TB, ATL, and FLO. You want either crawford(even huff) andruw jones(or chipper even) and miguel cabrera. You also call Baltimore again about Tejada. And philly about abreu. You have 4 really good young pitching prospects in Buchholz, Hirsh, Nieve, Patton, and one real good hitting prospect in Pence. If it was Atlanta and it was Andruw(same with tampa bay and CC) you start out with an offer of Taveras and either two of the 4 pitching prospects or one of them and a lesser pitching prospect. Work your way up from there. For cabrera you offer Ensberg, and a combination of two of the 5 top prospects. For guys like Cabrera, Crawford, Andruw and Miguel Tejada you have to be prepared to give up two of your top 5 prospects. The phillies would want young pitching for abreu. Huff would be the cheapest guy on the list and i'm not sure what Atlanta would want for Chipper.
this is your first trade deadline experience, isn't it? lamb has almost less value than lane and wandy. except to a team trying to win a playoff spot, like, say.... oh, i don't know - the astros; just randomly throwing a team out there. but no contending team is going to give up much beyond a lamb-like counterpart, making dealing him a moot point. and no team looking to trade talent to get younger and/or cheaper is going to even consider mike lamb. let's make this easy for you: focus on burke, buchholz, nieve, hirsh, pence, zobrist, anderson, patton and/or boguesevic - you're going to have to trade a combination of those guys to land something of value. outside of oswalt or berkman, any other astro has zero value - i don't care if they need a change of scenery, are "young" by the strange standard you seem to be employing or have a proven track record of half a decent season in the bigs - no one else on our roster has any value, save for perhaps ensberg, everett and/or taveras but only if you're dealing for a 3B, SS and/or CF and the team requests an immediate replacement. we'll call them floatsam. and the most important thing to remember - if you want to trade them, there's a reason - they suck. so focus on trading guys you don't want to deal - they're the ones other teams want and can bring you the bigger prizes. it's not rocket science, so remember these simple rules and trade deadline dreamcasting can actually be be fun.
You are missing my point entirely. It does the team no good if they have to give all those prospects away for one bat to add to a congested outfield. This team has to find a way to package some of those guys in any deal they make or else you're gonna be stuck with an abundance of position players, making it even more difficult to find room for guys like Lamb and Burke. Some of these guys we currently have are gonna have to be moved if we bring in a bat; and like I said trading Lamb might not be a moot point if it can bring a corner outfielder in return. And how do Ensberg and Taveras have value all of a sudden when Lane and Wandy don't since neither are having outstanding seasons. I guess we'll see what happens; maybe with Backe coming back the team has a little more leeway in giving up prospects..but then again he has injury issues. I guess we'll find out soon enough what Purpura can swing.
Timmy should quit because he sucks at being an GM...period!! The guy doesn't know how to negotiate...he's r****ded. What has he done since he has been here?????? 1. First big deal blew up in his face with Beltran 2. Has not made 1 trade with another team 3. The only FA signing in two years is Wilson and other insignificant players like Trevor Miller. 4. Clemens was all about McLane...Tim had nothing to do with that. 5. Have I mentioned the guys sucks....does nothing and is more of McLanes puppet that Hunsicker ever was!
