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If you voted for Prop 2...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mulder, Nov 11, 2005.

  1. MadMax

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    sidetrack -- do you and your wife attend Ecclesia??? i remember us talking about that church once.
     
  2. Major

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    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...2004/10/31/walking_the_walk_on_family_values/

    I found this interesting...


    The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.

    But don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

    The Associated Press, using data supplied by the US Census Bureau, found that the highest divorce rates are to be found in the Bible Belt. The AP report stated that "the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people."

     
  3. Rocket River

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    Therein lies the rub
    The Government should not have had anything to do with MARRIAGE ANYWAY
    because
    we allowed government to upsurp this power
    [bye bye seperation of church and state]
    we not by proxy have given them power over the dissolution of Marriage

    Rocket River
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    How do you figure? Don't you have to pay alimony whether you remarry or not?
     
  5. Major

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    http://www.latimes.com/business/you...ue,1,4118818.story?coll=la-utilities-business


    Can money actually save a marriage?

    We may fight over it incessantly, but research suggests money is a tie that binds us together, for better or worse. And as we loosen those financial ties, marriage is taking a hit.

    Marriage rates have dropped nearly 50 percent since 1970, thanks to increases in couples living together and in the average age of first marriages.

    The divorce rate, meanwhile, dropped to 17.7 per 1,000 married women last year, according to "The State of Our Unions 2005," an annual snapshot by the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University published this month. Divorce rates peaked in 1980 at 22.6 and have been dropping since.

    What's behind those numbers? To a large degree, money.

    Wealth is one of the biggest predictors of a marriage's failure, the study asserts.

    ...

     
  6. MadMax

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    not surprising to me at all. not even a little bit. Christianity is paraded as culture in the south in way that makes it less than real...less than authentic.
     
  7. Major

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    I agree - it's the Pat Robertson version of distorted Christianity to fit whatever you want it to be. :(
     
  8. Rocket River

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    No it is real
    I found it in one of my sociology classes
    It is even higher than Infidelity . . . surprised me

    Rocket River
    perhaps next they will criminalize Adultry
     
  9. oomp

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    Very true. The results of the Prop 2 vote are really discouraging to me.

    My wife and I each came from divorced households and our wedding bands are from those divorces. One of the first lessons you learn in English is "two negatives make a positive". I think we feel prepared to go through turbulent times because we've seem them up-close. 8 years now and we've had our rocky moments, but I couldn't imagine a better person to have gone through them with.

    I just wish we granted the rights afforded to my wife and I to all couples reguardless of sexual orientation.
     
  10. ChrisP

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    I know. That's so sad. I was concerned that the passage of this amendment sent the message that the state of Texas is intolerant, when in reality it's more apathetic than intolerant.

    Unfortunately, no one talks about the turnout percentage -- just the result percentage -- so the image of intolerance is out there anyway.
     
  11. twhy77

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    Just make it harder to marry...by way of something like a FOCUS test, or some sort of counseling, or a shocking play about the horrors of divorce that purges all married couples from the thought of getting a divorce ala a Greek Tragedy.... ;)
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    But that article doesn't say whether it's a cause or correlation.

    From the same article-
    "In addition, income is highly correlated with education, and higher education levels typically equate to lower divorce rates, he said."

    In any case, the high divorce rate is a problem for all classes, I sersiously doubt this is a case of the rich being unfair of the poor.
     
  13. No Worries

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    How many fail because money is tight? Do you have any statistics on this or are you just trying to make this a rich-poor issue?

    I only have anecdotal basis, which is very comon sensical btw.

    I remember in college that most couples broke up during finals due to stress. (A lot of them got back together after the finals were over.) Lack of money is also very stressful.

    And yeah I played the rich-poor card.
     
  14. No Worries

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    All I was saying that if the social conservatives want to strengthen marriages the rich conservatives can do their part. You see that I am restating this as a wedge issue against conservatives, right?
     
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    On an anecdotal basis, I can think of plenty of people whose divorce had little to do because of money being tight.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    The new law would apply to rich and poor people so I don't get your point.
     
  17. Major

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    Oh no - I don't think it was meant that way at all. There is a lot of research that suggests that when finances go to crap, divorce rates rise. I think the argument is simply that the financial stress puts extra stress on a relationship, which creates more unhappiness, which can lead to divorce.
     
  18. Rocket River

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    Well . . it cuts off when the one receiving it reMarries
    So
    Why would the one receiving it EVER get ReMarried. . .
    they can 'live in sin' and get a paycheck

    Rocket River
     
  19. MadMax

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    in Texas we don't have true alimony. we have spousal maintenance, and it's nothing like the alimony you see in California, for example.
     
  20. Rocket River

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    Thank God
    alimony should last 4~6 yrs top
    enough time to get a degree or something
    If you waste the time .. TOUGH

    no one should have to support another grown *ss person
    for the rest of their life
    [I know I know. . . welfare is not exactly kewl by me either]

    Rocket River
     

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