If you know what I know, then why aren't you a Muslim too?

One mistake I admit that outlaw took advantage of:

Allah has only spoken to Moses. he has never directly spoken to any human being. The message of Islam was sent through the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to Moh'd PBUH.

He has not spoken even to the Prophet himself, PBUH.

Deuce Rings,


Are you comparing the Big Bang and the birth of a child to scientists assuming that these ancient traditions MAY have learned ways to figure out the structure of the solar system?

If you read the Qura'an, you will realize the DETAIL in which both these concepts are explained, it's unbelievable. What's important is that no one had the tools to probe into a human body, and figure out how a child is born. No tools whatsoever. However, with the civilizations that you mentioned, I'm sure you know they used the sun to tell time, used all these towers, they had tons of tools.

You tell me that Islam is only 1400 years old and so we don't know if it will be applicable in the future. The Bible is approximately 2000 years old (I'm not 100% sure), but you tell me how many times the bible has changed? The "New Testament"? How could a perfect religion be tampered with to apply with the time?

I understand that you don't believe in the existence of any God, however, don't you ever wonder how some things work?

How about the Big Bang? Did you know that for the Big Bang to occur, density had to be equal to infinity? Do you know that ALL LAWS of physics go against density ever equalling INFINITY? So tell me, what could have possibly caused it? The earth and the sun existed when people were learning about it, and so was the birth of humans. However, no one SAW the Big Bang, correct? So how could the Qura'an POSSIBLY have predicted it 1400 years ago?

BTW, the Qura'an was not written by men, it was written by ONE MAN, the Prophet Moh'd PBUH.

Tell me, what are you here for if there is no God? You're just a life form, and you will live and die? Then why follow any morals if you won't be punished? This is why Arab society is different from Western society. Because atheists don't think that there is a punishment, so they commit any and all sins freely, without having to worry about anything but the law of the country you live in. How is that possible?

If you believe that there was a Bi Bang, then you immediately believe in a higher being, so let's get THAT out of the way.

 

outlaw,

just one more thing. 1400 years is a drop in the bucket of all time, that's fine. But the Bible hasn't really made it has it? The Bible waswritten by men, and not just one man, but many of them.

Tell me something outlaw, if God is perfect, then how the hell can you say that his religion isn't? Why would he send down an imperfect religion?

That's my question to Christians. If your religion needs to be "re-newed", then how can it be perfect? Shouldn't religion be perfect?

Here's something interesting: Muslims say that God sent down 5 books, because it would be impossible for humans to immediately adjust to a strict lifestyle of no alcohol, etc..... Meaning, we acknowledge all 5 holy books (Tawrat, Injeel, Qura'an, Zaboor, and Abraham's book, of which the name I'm not sure). We say that God sent 5 down, each one getting more strict, so that humans could get used to the idea. Islam is known to be the last of those religions, which should make it the most perfect. That's how we look at it. Ofcourse, we don't believe in the New Testament, however, we believe that all original Christians will go to heaven, because they believed in a pure, holy religion sent by Allah.

 

FranchiseBlade & Jeff,


I truly apologize. Quite honestly, I'd love to understand you're thinking, but I find myself unable tor elate. It oculd be what I was taught or how I was raised, but I cannot understand or relate to your mentalities.

What can I say? My religion says differently, and I respectfully bow out of a discussion.


If it means anything, I once believed that all decent people will go to heaven. But it's more complex than that. Don't get me wrong. It's not only muslims who will go to heaven, however, it's not all good people.



Something interesting:

Most educated people say that, even an atheist, when in dire need will turn to a supreme being. The best example of this is Ramses Pharoah of Ancient Egypt. When faced with death, he actually gave up to God. I think it's fair to say EVERYONE will turn to a supreme being when in need. This is why I don't believe atheists are truly atheists deep inside. Islam teaches us that everyone is born with some faith in them. Every single person.

 

Puedlfor,

Religion comes from God. I personally don't consider any religion that is written by humans to be valid. the 5 holy books.


Heinous acts? First of all, me and you consider them heinous. Second of all, we are not the people to judge these people, that's God's job. Third of all, it is not religion that is leading them to these things, it's their corrupt leaders twisting the words of the Qura'an.

Contrary to what you may thin Pued, Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are not the representatives of Islam. Clear enough?

 

I still haven't heard from anyone about whether any other religion says why we exist. No one has told me that their religion clearly states why we're on earth, what's our reason for being.

 

When Moses split the Red Sea, and all the Pharoah's Chariottes and horses were drowning, Ramses said "God forgive me!"

This is mentioned in the Bible, the Taura, and the Qura'an. Look it up.

What I'm saying is that atheists are LOOKING for God. When they find themselves in a situation where no human being can help them, they will immediately turn to God. If you know someone who is learned in this subject, you can ask them. I had this conversation with a college proffesor who has studied religion thoroughly.

 

You're kidding me right?

If you see a perfect rock on the beach, you can very well go and tell your friend that it is horrendous if you're friend is gullible.

 

Pued,


Did it ever occur to you that someone may not know the perfection of the rock because they hadn't looked at it properly?

Maybe it is perfect, but not at first glance. You know what I'm saying?


Macbeth,


I would understand if you didn't believe one religion, however this is in 3 holy books. Two of which despise each other. Sketchy is if it were in the Qura'an alone. Unlikely if it were in the Qura'an and the Bible. But when it's in the Qura'an, the Taura, and the Bible? Come on. How much more credibility when all these religions reported the same thing?

Who reported it from across the Red Sea? I'll tell you who: God. All the holy books are from Allah. Are you recognizing the connection? Why would 3 religions ahve the exact same story, while none of them have actually witnessed it?

Ramses was the head of his own religion. Think about that for a second. No one doubts for ONE second that Ramses considered himself to be God, astaghfurAllah. That means, to him, there is no supreme being, and he rules the earth.

The point isn't who in particular he turned to. The point is that he claimed that there was no one greater, but when faced with death, looked up to a supreme being which he previously would not have admitted existed.

 

Rimbaud,

You'll be glad to know I have learned exactly why I came to learn, and in the process am exchanging some information that will be useful to other people. You're free to erad or not, this thread isn't mandatory or anything.

However, if you are interested, let me answer your question.

Guess what? Only Islam can answer that question.

The reason God, who is perfect, created "anything", i.e. humans, is to worship him. There's a verse in the Qura'an that clearly states it, and NOBODY has come forward wit a verse in the Bible or Tora or any other religion to match it.

It's that simple. God created you. You do what your creator says. If you're not "convinced", it doesn't matter. You know God exists, and you know he created you, so you do what he says. you are God's slave basically. You will do whatever God, in whichever religion, wants you to do simply because he creaetd you. How can you question the entity that created you?