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If you could have any player in the NBA to complement Yao and Steve, who would fit?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Joe57/3, Jul 13, 2003.

  1. mfclark

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    Ben Wallace, to do all of the dirty work inside. He's a natural PF - not a center - and content to not have to work on the offensive end in terms of scoring. That way, the focus of the offense is clear, and the interior defense is nearly unstoppable with Ben and Yao. But it'd never happen.

    So, realistically...the type of player to best complement Yao and Francis is a classic 3rd offensive option. He preferably plays SF or PF, and no matter where he plays, is a good rebounder. Blocking shots is helpful, but not required, as is three-point shooting - but it must be at a sufficiently high percentage to be worthwhile.

    That narrows it down to two players: Shawn Marion and Richard Jefferson. Marion's more of a true 2nd option who may develop into a first option-type of player, so he doesn't really fit. But Jefferson...that's the player, and the Rockets could've had him.
     
  2. subtomic

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    Abstractly, the best player to compliment Steve and Yao would have the following skills:

    1) Consistent catch and shoot skills (w/3 pt range) - Both Steve and Yao will be kicking the ball back to the perimeter if their path to the basket is blocked. A good outside shooter will also prevent double teams on Yao and Steve.

    2) Good perimeter defense - This will help minimize Steve's defensive woes and will prevent penetrators from getting Yao into foul trouble.

    3) Can run a fast break - While Steve is probably competent enough on a half-court set, he is hopeless when it comes to running the break. A player who can bring the ball up the middle and allow Steve to be one of the wings would improve the Rockets ability to fast-break.

    Based on this criteria, I'm not sure who would work best. Brent Barry is a good shooter and has good handles, but his defense is suspect, may not be great on the break, and has been criticized for disappearing in games.

    Darryl Armstrong might have been good 5 years ago, but he's old and consistency on any of these skills would be too much to ask.

    Elton Brand is a good player, but the Rockets need outside shootign, perimeter defense and fast-breaking skills more than they need shot-blocking and rebounding. You could probably get a much cheaper "enforcer" type player.
     
  3. Joe57/3

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    I don't know about Jefferson, I think Griffin will end up being the better player although maybe not by as big a margin as we would have hoped. What does Jefferson do that is exceptional? I can name dozens of swingmen I would want over him. I think Marion would be a nice fit but he is afflicted in the way that Cuttino and Steve are, too many ugly shots.

    Yao is definitely the key to this team and if this year Francis won't adapt his game to Yao's, they should look into trading Stevie. Possibly him, Taylor and Cuttino for Chandler, Crawford and Fizer, something like that. I don't know if Chicago would do that but they would still have a nice team and Francis gives them a young superstar.Houston would be huge with Yao, Chandler and Griffin or Fizer on the frontline and Posey and Crawford in the backcourt. That would be a very nice long, athletic team. They would have the potential to be the best defensive team of all time with JVG coaching.
     
  4. Joe57/3

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    Subtomic, if that is the case, Sprewell would be a perfect fit. Even getting Pippen back for a couple mill a year would help. Kevin Ollie can help on the break and defensively. I still think Garnett fits those criteria. He can knock down the three, handle the ball, and guard anybody on the floor(even the PG) because of his length and quickness. Odom would alos fit these criteria as would Tim Thomas. All 3 of those guys play the 3 and can slide to the 4. Thomas and Odom can also play the 2. I think having a versatile 3/4 is a better compliment to Yao than a shooting 2/3, if that was the case, Rice would have been great last year.

    Francis needs to play WITH Yao and act a little more lika a PG. He needs to be able to make the fundamental play: post feeds, bounce passes, pick & rolls, etc. If this team will ever live up to its potential that needs to happen. Or he could move to the two and they could bring in a big PG that can shoot(Cassell would have been perfect although his defense has been questioned in the past).
     
  5. Thanos

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    Yeah, I know.

    I would be happy with Brian Grant if we got rid of Mo, and Snow at the point, being more realistic.

    No other enforcers come to mind.
     
  6. mfclark

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    Jefferson is at the top of the league in shotblocking and rebounding from the small forward position. He also shoots 50% and not all of those come on dunks off of Kidd passes, either. Yes, he's overrated due to the system in which he plays in. But, with Francis around to set him up and the need for his skills on the Rockets, I don't think there'd be a big drop-off.

    And the Rockets don't need a star, they need a solid third option who won't take away - just complement - the existing two stars. Mobley may transform into that player, who knows? But it's not a star they need.
     
  7. Joe57/3

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    Posey plays very good defense at the 3 and Jefferson demonstrated throughout the playoffs that he can't shoot any better than Posey. He may be high in rebounding, but thats a surprise to me. When you watch a Nets game, he definitely doesn't seem like a dominant small forward rebounder in the Garnett/ Marion mold. If thats the case, I believe its due mostly to the motion offense that the Nets play with the center being at the high post a lot and thus out of position for boards. So, Jefferson and Kidd have to pick up the slack. If they played a low post center (Yao) I doubt that Jefferson would have nearly as many boards.

    I'm not saying that RJ sucks, just that we are giving up on Griffin too soon. I think JVG will get him to play hard and then we'll all be glad CD made that trade.
     
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    At PF, I'd go with Nowitzki or Rasheed Wallace, in that order.

    At SF, I'd go with Marion, Battier, or Mike Miller, in that order.

    At SG, I'd go with McGrady, Ray Allen, or Doug Christie & not necessarily in that order.

    At PG, I'd go for Payton, Kidd, Nash, or Andre Miller, in that order.
     
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    Who said anything about a star? Good players tend to become recognized as good players and subsequently could be considered stars, so I don't really know what you mean. In NY/NJ they consider Jefferson a star.
     
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    I agree. But, in the line of the thread, I was thinking that'd it'd be nice to have both! After all, it's an "any NBA player" thread. But, I do believe Griffin can become that player and more...though with two stars around, he may not reach his full potential.
     
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    OK I get it, sorry. I just thought by picking Jefferson, you were lamenting that trade. Not that it can't be lamented, but I really like Griffin. I think JVG will get him to concentrate more on D and interior play. JVG has a great rep for working with big men.
     
  12. Just B

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    One player that people always overlook that I would want on my team is Peja Stojakovic.

    Think about it, this guy plays nice, responsible basketball. Plus he can get you 20-30 points a night without showboating or anything, and he can play 3 different positions (2,3 and maybe PF). He'll knock down the open shot and is a pretty good clutch player, but most importantly he can lead if needed to.
     
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    The premise of this thread is to dreamcast anyone, right?
    Why fool around with Jefferson, Grant, Brand, etc.

    Tim Duncan is the obvious choice.

    The High-Low game with Yao would be frightening.
    Francis would thrive in Tony Parker's role: Shoot or slash.
    The Twin Towers would smother people on D.
    Francis could gamble on D and cherry-pick.
    Most importantly the no-nonsense, supremely efficient decision making that would infiltrate the team is exactly what the Rockets lack.

    I assume the extension of playing synergistically would be winning... a lot.

    That Big Three would have the potential and youth to rival any of the Celtic, Laker or Bulls dynasties.
     
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    can we just start with Francis complementing Yao, first. Then go from there.
     
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    heypartner, I definitely agree with that.
     
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    Damn the reality ;)

    But that's precisely why masochism is a Rockets' head coaching job requirement, right?
     
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    Even if we somehow can put together an impressive frontline like this

    Yao
    Brand
    Garnett

    How do you stop the dribblemania by the backcourt? I hate to see Yao shanding on the other side of the box, Brand and Garnett standing on 3pts line so that Francis can go 1on1 against his man all game.
     
  18. C-Kompii

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    Any player?

    Tim Ducan

    C- Yao
    PF- Ducan

    Try and beat that :)

    -G'day-
     
  19. studogg

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    dead on the money. You need a player that can help space the floor for Yao in the post and for Steve's drives to the basket. He is a pure shooter who doesn't always have to have the ball. Understands movement without the ball and is used to playing w/passing low post players. He is the one player I think would have the largest effect on a team like this.
     
  20. SLA

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    Any player eh?

    Shooting guard: 1. Tracy McGrady. 2. Kobe Bryant. 3. Michael Finley. 4. Jason Richardson 5. Cuttino Mobley.
    Small Forward: 1. Kevin Garnett. 2. James Posey.
    Power Forward: Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand, Chris Webber.
     

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