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If we lived in a truly free society

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jun 13, 2003.

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  1. Rocket River

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    this one irratates me to no end

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  2. Rocket River

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    He said they could form without less than 100% participation
    so . . .If you do not agree with their terms. . .you SOL

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  3. HAYJON02

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    then man you shouldve been at the snoop dog concert the other day...
     
  4. ZRB

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    Yes? Go on... What happened?
     
  5. GreenVegan76

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    It's amazing more people don't suggest voting for Congressional raises. Have they ever voted to CUT their salaries?

    More than two-thirds of them are already millionaires. Will that yearly $2,000 pay hike really make that big a difference in their lives?
     
  6. mc mark

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../ap/20030725/ap_on_re_us/war_tax_resistance_3

    PHILADELPHIA - Priscilla Adams says she doesn't mind paying taxes. She just doesn't want her money going to the military.

    The Quaker peace and justice organizer now finds herself in a second court battle with the Internal Revenue Service (news - web sites).

    Adams, 50, has refused to pay at least some of her federal taxes since 1974 and owes the government more than $42,000 in back taxes, interest and fines.

    "They can do things like the checkoff for the presidential election campaign; they could easily do an accommodation for a peace-tax fund," Adams said Wednesday from her Willingboro, N.J., home.

    The IRS upped the ante in the ongoing dispute Tuesday when it sued her employer for refusing to garnish her wages. It wants to lodge a 50 percent penalty — more than $21,000 — against the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends, a regional Quaker organization.

    "That would be a hefty price for what we believe is right," said Gretchen Castle, a leader with the group. "I think that there are other ways the government can do it that are more friendly, more supportive of our faith."

    Under a prior arrangement, the Quakers withhold taxes from Adams' paychecks — she earns about $32,000 a year — and put them in an escrow account that the IRS can access. The Quakers say they don't want to help the IRS collect the back taxes and penalties by garnishing additional wages.

    Nationally, an estimated 8,000 Americans avoid paying some or all of their federal income taxes because of their political beliefs, often because they oppose military spending, according to the New York-based National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee.
     
  7. bamaslammer

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    I think we ought to go back to Constitutional govt. in which the govt:

    1. Takes care of natl. defense as its main goal.

    2. Raises funds via user fees, no income tax. In the 1800's it was tariffs, I guess now it could be a national retail sales tax.

    3. Leaves everything else to the states, including regulation of workplaces and the environment

    4. Senators are appointed by state legislators, not by popular election, thus representing the state govts. as the Founders intended.

    Now that would be a great country! No income tax and freedom overflowing, instead of the quasi-socialist state where the Imperial Federal govt. consumes 1/3 of our GDP with ridiculous vote-buying schemes and rampant fraud and waste.

    The most powerful entities affecting your lives would be the govts. closest to you. We always learned in the Corps to handle things at the lowest level of the chain of command, because your sergeant knows you and your needs better than your CO. Same thing with govt. Why people want to send more money and give more power to those numbnuts inside the Beltway is beyond me.

    Lastly, I think the members of Congress should not be able to raise their pay on a whim. And their pay should be really low coupled with term limits to force them to return to an occupation rather than that of a career politician.
     
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  8. ima_drummer2k

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    I would eliminate the auto insurance industry. Everyone would have to contribute to their own personal auto insurance 'account'. It would be sort of like a retirement plan except it would be mandatory in order to get a license. If you caused an accident and you didn't have enough money to cover your liability, you would have to take out a loan and pay it back w/interest. Of course your contribution would go up as well.

    If your 'balance' reaches the amount equal to the state minimum liability (20/40/15, I believe) without an accident, you would have the option of stopping your contributions if you desire. Or you could keep contributing as long as you wanted. When it's time to retire and you've never been in an accident, you could cash out.

    Kind of silly, I know. I just feel like I'm throwing my money away every month because I've never filed a single claim.
     
  9. HAYJON02

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    sorry didnt see this post.

    weeeeell, long story short: lots of people smoked alot of weed at the snoop dog show. it was crazy all the people pulling out js.....quite a sight.

    and if im not mistaken, the security didnt really do anything. i mean when ya got the artist up on stage practicing what he preaches... pandamonium :cool:
     
  10. Bigman

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    Disagree about the 'no insurance industry'. I'm willing to bet the amount you can contribute, and get a loan for is way less than what you can get sued for some freakish accident that may not have even been your fault. Then again it may never happen, but that's the gamble. Not a good one for me personally.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    We've tried the whole no Fed govt. regulation thing, and we got monopolies, Robber Baron's child labor, slum lords and all the rest of the things that went along with Robber Baron Gilded age. That experiment has been tried and it failed.

    The forced term limits I think might be alright.
     
  12. Deckard

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    So, what's your point?

    ;)
     
  13. Deckard

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    Do this in Alabama if you want to, but for the love of God don't do it here in Texas! :eek:
     
  14. Legendary21

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    Make a society to free, and it´s no longer a society. Just a bunch of people living in the same place.

    Do you mean a society that´s free of rules and regulations? or one where everybody´s free to make their own (resulting in that the rules made by the most powerful people will be the ones everybody must follow)?

    If we lived in a totally free society people from anywhere could just come here and settle down, if they chose to.

    Freedom is very nice, but to much of it only leads to the strong oppressing the weak.
    :(
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Too little of it leads to the same thing, as we are starting to see in this country.
     
  16. Deuce Rings

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    Sorry, but while I am a republican and would like to see the govt. less involved in my affairs, I do not think the American public can be trusted to make decisions about how are tax money should be spent.
     

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