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If there is an attack on Iran, here's the "when" and the "how" of our involvement...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tigermission1, May 20, 2008.

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    It would also spark a nuclear arms race that would endanger Israel's technological and military superiority in the region. The irony in that probably isn't lost to Israeli leadership.

    At worst, they would want us to use nukes.
     
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    By yelling "I'm rich, b****!"

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  3. Bandwagoner

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    I doubt it. I think they prefer to just send a few long range F-16's over to show them who is boss occasionally.

    They would definetly try to get us involved. Probably start small and ask for support then escalate and pull out, using us as meat shields.
     
  4. A_3PO

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    You actually think Israel would attack Iran just to "show them who is boss occasionally"? Read up some on the Middle East. If Israel attacked Iran, they would only do so if they felt their survival was at stake. Example: Trying to knock out the sites where Iran is developing nuclear weapons. This would demonstrate to the world there was a clear purpose for the action. Striking Iran is more involved than dropping a few bombs on Hamas.

    Israel wouldn't throw the entire kitchen sink at them, but they would be prepared to if necessary based on Iran's retaliation. When you say "start small and ask for support", you think this would happen without prior U.S. knowledge? Do you really think Israel would "pull out" and try to use the U.S. as a shield? Ain't no way. I know what you are thinking but it doesn't work that way.
     
  5. Bandwagoner

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    It has worked that way because once the USA politcal machine gets going it is hard to do an flip-flop without politcal suicide. Our system is slow to adapt.

    Also Israel would have air superiority, and in this imaginary war, UN support.

    See these big things under the wings? They aren't carrying extra water.
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  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    An attack on Iran would be extraordinarily stupid by the administration, particularly if it was done before the election as many would see it as a calculated mood to help get John McCain re-elected...but more so because it just would be stupid after the catastrophic failure in afganistan and substantive failure in Iraq and other foreign policy moves.
     
  7. tigermission1

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    By the way, I am not saying an attack will happen, I am saying if it happens then it will likely be in the manner I outlined. Also, I should mention that any Iranian retaliation against an Israeli attack will most likely involve an attack on U.S. ships in the Gulf or other countless military targets in Iraq/Kuwait/Qatar. The Iranians are not stupid, they know for a fact that Israel would not undertake such actions without at least tacit U.S. consent, and in this case probably with the full benefits of a 'heads up' before any such attack was to be taken. The Israelis are not dumb, they know fully well that any attack on Iran by their forces would endanger American personnel and interests in the region. Therefore, the Iranians would be absolutely correct in interpreting any Israeli attack as a 'proxy' attack by the U.S., there is no way in hell that we wouldn't at least be complicit in any such attack, or that the Israelis wouldn't do it with a) our full knowledge, and b) our approval. Based on this logic, U.S. personnel/interests would definitely be in the line of fire.
     
  8. Dairy Ashford

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    Has Netanyahu expressed a specifc desire or intent to attack Iran? Has Bush publicly pledged to fully support or defend Israel in commencing a third concurrent Middle Eastern War?
     
  9. A_3PO

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    100% agreed and Iraq would turn into flames
     
  10. Invisible Fan

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    Flames? That's because that place is litterally an oil field.

    Can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs... :rolleyes:
     
  11. Bandwagoner

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    I call BS. If they were also defending themselves against Israel their resources for striking would be very limited.

    All our detroyers have very high defense capability for cruise missles and I doubt Iran can penetrate.

    So exactly how do you see them taking out any ships?
     
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    Casey man, you're drinking the testosterone kool-aide. Go look at a satellite image of Iran and compare it to Iraq. The country is a literal fortress. Iran has been decentralizing their nuclear capacity and bunkering their strategic assets for years. 2-3000 sorties would have virtually no effect. How many Sunburns, Exocets and Silkworms would get through to a US fleet if they were swarmed by a couple of hundred at a time? And why even shoot at warships when you could cripple the planet by hitting one or two big ol' unarmed tankers in the Gulf of Hormuz. And remember, the Mullahs don't give a crap how many of their own people die, they're martyrs, it's just a quick path to heaven.

    And if you did get into it, Muslims tend to hold grudges for hundreds of years so you'd probably be dooming the industrialized nations of the world into the stone age.

    Iran is like a noisy neighbor. You can't fight'em, they just turn up the volume.
    You've got to reason with them, live with them, find some common ground and get them to at least play music you like. Frankly, I'd just as soon let Iraq become their problem and al-Qaeda can go kill Persians instead of Americans. It would just bring us closer with Kuwait and the Arab States
     
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    You appeasing libpig commie! We all know the best results come from direct intervention. I mean look how great afganistan and iraq are now! USA! USA! USA!



    Sarcasm aside, it may be a good time to bring up caseyh's previously asserted love affair with wars. He thinks there awesome.

    Especially one's that he is not a part of. Which is all of them.
     
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    Wow you know the history of my life?

    Jerk.

    this is my feeling on these crap wars we get involved in.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    none.

    besides the fact they are so old we would spot them as soon as they are launched the range is about 100 miles so I doubt they could even get to us.




    because they would be fighting a war and lucky to be selling any oil (probably to china) so they would need to sell sell sell.

    Wait so we should be scared Israel should not attack because then the Muslims will hate Israel? I think that ship has sailed.
     
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    Are you serious? Our ships/destroyers would have VERY LIMITED time to react, not to mention that Iran -- with a lot of help from our Russian friends -- made SURE that they have more than enough capacity to strike and do so successfully should the need ever arise. Do a little homework on their anti-ship missile arsenal -- specifically the so-called "Sunburn" missile -- and then get back to me. Our ships in the Straight of Hormuz would be nearly defenseless against such an attack. You're talking as if the Iranians would launch those missiles hundreds of miles away, which is not the case. We're talking a few minutes at most here. Look at a map and you might get an idea as to why...
     
  17. Bandwagoner

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    yu mean the untested un proven design that the russians are still working with? They are going to hand that out like cupcakes to Iran?

    That is a sub or ship fired rocket, so how exactly will the Iranians deliver it?
     
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    I highly doubt that Iran would attack U.S forces if Israel attacks. It would be suicide. I don’t think they want to end up in the Stone Age like Afghanistan.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    They start with their terror proxies and work in reaction to our responses from there.
     
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    Israel can't attack big people. It's that simple. Because the etire Middle East (Egypt included) is programmed to beleive that a serious attack by Israel is the beginning of the end of the world.

    If Israel attacks Iran, they are attacking Islam, not an isolated country.
     

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