I don't think Kamala could have done anything to win the race. Biden doomed any chance the Democrats had by deciding to run again and even if Biden didn't run again it looks like there is a strong anti-incumbency thing going on in the world right now...but it would have been a better chance for them. If they had an open primary they would have been forced to connect to their base a little more and someone not connected to Biden's administration could have ran away from Biden (and his dropping popularity) while also selling Democrat ideals on how to fix things. The thing Biden robbed the Democrats of was an open primary forces the candidates to run in EVERY state. Ups the name recognition and it sharpens the message. The one good thing the DNC seems to be agreed on is that open primaries are needed. At the same time, a rushed primary would not have done much better, so the party was doomed the moment he decided to try to go another term.
I should point out based on exit polling that majority is barely, it's like 47 to 44 or something that don't like his immigration stance but that along with their feelings on who should be given citizenship paint a picture that tells me they won't appreciate a mass deportation scheme that features detention camps (as it simply must have) and targets them. I'm not latino so I can't speak for them though. People also forget this is going to mean a lot of regular latinos are going to be harassed by overzealous officers. If Trump actually goes forward with his immigration plan it's going to be terrible optics. Just imagine regular hispanic people getting harassed by officers about their citizenship or someone recording their long time neighbor getting pulled out of their house or the stories of mixed families getting split up. Thankfully, even I don't think Trump will do it. I think they'll target the criminals (just like every administration does) and Trump will do some photo ops with the military at the border, talk about how great he's doing, and that'll be the end of it. Logistically the plan is just wild and like I said, it MUST feature some kind of camps or holding area for these people and historically we know that never ever ever goes well. While I'm sure there are some in the GOP that are ready to do it I don't think all of them have the stomach to do it because most are decent or good people...I hope. There will be some hiccup there that prevents it. Just like his wall and his other grand ideas for his first term.
Yeah her campaign could have done better definitely. I think she made a mistake running with neo-cons all while having the palastine stance basically probably tanked her support of young voters. Young voters and generations HAAAAAAAAAAAATE Neo-cons and Neo-libs but they can tolerate neo-libs to a degree, but neo-cons like Liz Cheney? She campaigned with her multiple times for whatever reason.
What is the Blue Team's base though? I would argue it is much more diverse and much harder to get all of those aligned. If you cater towards the Muslims, you are going to lose the Jews and vice versa. If you cater to college educated individuals you are going to lose the poorer people whose views may be diametrically opposed. This 2 party system works against the Democrats a lot of times. There is normally a lot more types of people to try and make happy. People don't have the time or inclination to do research. Hell 54% of this country is at a 6th grade reading level. 20% are at a 3rd grade reading level. I work with a lot of people in the UK and they were all asking me "Does anyone in the US actaully know how tariffs work?"
Unlike what people believed, Hillary had a decent shot, she just leaned on women in general too much. And she was not likable.
That's where you are wrong. Every single flub or gaffe by Biden or Harris was covered by all mainstream media. Only the way out there like "Eating dogs and cats". Was covered about Trump. No one covered Trump constantly calling the other side "Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Fascist, scum" repeatedly at every rally. Mainstream media wanted Trump to win They want 4 more years of their cash cow.
That's a good question and a thoughtful one. I'm just looking at it from a simpler approach. When 80% of 2020 Biden voters, for example, say they do not want him to run again in 2024, I think the Dem Elites should listen to them and have a real primary. When a similar number say they want to stop facilitating a genocide, I think they should listen to that too. Those are two easy and obvious things.
I applaud u for staying engaged B-bob…this election has broken me down to the point that right now I don’t even care about what happens to this country…we get whatever we deserve I’ve always voted based off the primary objective of what I think would be better for the country as a whole and not just myself, but what’s the point anymore? although I think all the Trump nonsense during his 1st term was disastrous for the country, I myself was just fine…things will be even worse this time for the country…but I’m not getting deported, I’m not losing healthcare if the ACA is repealed, I’m not in a union, I’m not dependent on Social Security, etc…all the people who will really feel the brunt of a Trump presidency, u get what u voted for…I’ve tried to do my part for so many years, and all this election has shown me is that it doesn’t matter maybe I’ll feel differently in the future, but right now I’m just so done with it all
Famous 1900s poet Trent Reznor put it best: Bow down before the one you serve You're going to get what you deserve
I was watching an interview with the Ex ICE director about the deportations, he was saying the real number of "criminals" is lower then anything trump has said, he also said the majority of them are in jail or prison and they would not take those as they need to finish their sentence.....although my thought was it cost to house them so shy not deport them. But my big question is for those (like Rubio) who said they would start with the criminals............where are all these criminals that are not in jail? For folks that are just here illegally and work at say JB Swift meat packing plant in Liberal Ks, will they just go in and start asking for ID`s. I don't see how you get to 20 million, hell I don't see one million. If your here illegally are you getting out now.....I am just confused how this will work. I also wont be shocked if they get into the planning and realize it wont look good so they back pedal
I feel ya brother, I have never felt like this after an election, it was a gut punch that literally made me sick, how can anyone vote for that POS
Right. The problem is you're never going to solve the immigration issue with just more (humane) deportation because there are always going to be people that want to come here and not willing to wait (or can't wait) to do so. The only way is to do it inhumanely and as you point out...how does that work? You're going to go around asking for people IDs and targeting lets face it, people that look latino or people that can't speak fluent english and you WILL split up families and everytime you do that you piss off every person connected to the person you just threw out of the country. I think exactly that, they'll start working on the plan, understand why it hasn't happened, and then will backpeddle or propagandize their way out of it. The plan right now is just pure chaos and I think many have no idea how bad its going to look until you start hearing about families getting separated and such and then we'll see if the country has the stomach to go through with it.
Man, that hits hard. We sure as s*** are going to get exactly what we deserve as a country in the next 4 years.
I think if your world can be ruined by 3 trans surgeries, that the Ds can easily find 3 women who died due to the Trump Abortion Ban or 3 families who lost their child in a school shooting or 3 Latinos who left their wallet at home and the next day wake up in Mexico. And going into the 2026 election, we easily find 100 million people who are not paying $0.99 for a loaf of bread or $1.99 for a gallon of gas or etc. Of course by 2026, the Rs will be on to their next thing-that-is-not-a-thing that is ruining everyone's life ... thanks to the Ds.
Given how little concern people have shown toward women dying in parking lots due to abortion laws, I am quite certain lots of people have the stomach for it (or the ability to ignore it perhaps - same difference).
That's the problem with ya'll, you just can't seem to stop and actually do critical or hard thinking for a second. Immigration is probably the number one issue right now in this country thanks to Biden/Harris, it has to be addressed.... I do not like nor agree ending birthright citizenship, its such an important part of this countries growth. However because I'm not a sheep and actually try to understand situations past my emotions or feelings I do think it could help greatly discourage people from coming into this country illegally. However once again because I don't just simply agree with everything Trump says or wants to do I think that if something like this ever gets passed it should 100% be temporary while the border is under control.
