If Sengun gets more minutes, where do they come from?

Where did I ever say the midrange is back? I said teams that mix alittle in have better success on offense than teams that dont at all.... and I proved that point.

 

For one, you didn’t say that. You might have meant that but didn’t say that.
Second, in no way did you prove it. Bucks don’t shoot midrange. Phoenix does more than the average, which is still minuscule. They also have the best midrange shooter ever.
The best team/teams in the league right now, don’t shoot midrange.

 

LIke I said, up on Mount Midrange, the very existence of midrange in quantity N where N > 0 is proof enough for anything you want:

Heres a goofy article on the Jazz and how they love the midrange from last month:

https://www.deseret.com/2021/11/5/22764293/why-the-utah-jazz-still-value-midrange-shots

ATLANTA — For years, we’ve been seeing the NBA change and hearing that the midrange game is disappearing, making room for more efficient and more valuable 3-point shots.

But no matter how much the league shifts to a more perimeter-based game, there’s always going to be a need for players who are skilled inside the arc.

“There’s this narrative that people don’t want the midrange,” Jazz head coach Quin Snyder said on Thursday ahead of the Jazz’s 116-98 win over the Atlanta Hawks. “I think the midrange is a huge part of the game, and oftentimes decides games

(Rest of article has shot charts, and of course, has "critical midrange shots" that went in, as opposed to 3's that missed - this is a staple of the midrange argument, a midrange make is > than any miss
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Now here's the reality of how the midrange is a huge part of the Jazz offense:






4.9! That's Harden playing-5-out 90% of the time level of midranginess! And this is not an aberration - they were last in the league last year at 6.2 (and posted their greatest offensive season ever while doing it)

Even when people go away from the midrange they still cling to it to say "it's still important" - actions speak louder than words here. It's a thing that happens, so in a league of small margins, you can argue everything is important.

But the fact that it's of greatly diminished importance is just undeniable at this point.

EVERYBODY mixes in a little bit of it out of necessity - like is said, everytime where midrange > 0 the midrangers will claim victory, because that's just how they roll. It's not how NBA teams over time rolll though.

 

I clearly said it originally when you started coming at me, my words were Rockets need to mix in floaters and FT / Elbow jumpers to keep defense honest. You - midrange is stupid no one shoots them....bunch of random stats.

I then responded if the right person takes the midrange vs 3pt then having them take it would be the better shot.... You- more random stats

League leaders from midrange (2021-22)
Player FGM FGA FG%
Kevin Durant 52 85 61.2
DeMar DeRozan 47 112 42.0
Paul George 38 79 48.1
Dejounte Murray 35 79 44.3
Tyler Herro 34 65 52.3
Trae Young 34 61 55.7
Devin Booker 33 79 41.8
LaMarcus Aldridge 32 49 65.3
Chris Paul 30 54 55.6
Brandon Ingram 29 67 43.3
Anthony Davis 28 72 38.9
Zach LaVine 28 63 44.4
Gary Trent Jr. 28 54 51.9

if KPJ or Green can shoot 45%+ from elbow I would rather them take a few of those vs stepback iso 3's they shoot less than 25% on

 

I sent you those stats. You can look up FGA from 8-16 ft.
There are literally 140 players that average more than 4 3s a game. There are 30 or so players that average 4 fga from 8-16 ft.
Midrange is fine, but it can’t be even a decent portion of your offense in today’s game. That’s end of discussion.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nba/news/kevin-durant-nets-midrange/13b2nspe5rjz61fm85w4tg6gl3

The midrange isn't even an efficient shot for most but it's basically a layup for Durant, and it feels like he can get to it whenever he wants. While it helps that many defences are geared towards giving up the midrange nowadays, most players with the size to contest his jumper don't have the speed to keep up with him off the dribble and most players who have the speed to keep up with him off the dribble don't have the size to contest his shot.

Your problem is thinking Im advocating for long 2's and Im not...

 

I never said decent part of the offense....that was your poor understanding...looking for a argument

 

You said the best teams in the league shoot more midrange. That’s just a flat out wrong statement.
I’m sorry you can’t understand that.

 

If the Rockets shoot 0-2 midrange shots a game and the best teams shoot 4-6.... is that not more?

 

It’s negligible when they shoot 30 3s on average. You’re just going to have to understand that 80s/90s style of basketball is gone. I too am nostalgic about it, but it’s a different game now.

 

Once again you are not getting the point... I clearly understand that the game has changed...so funny the top players in NBA understand what Im saying...

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https://twitter.com/KDTrey5/status/1184135356330979329&widget=Tweet

 

KD is one guy. And he’s a great midrange shooter. He doesn’t make you right

 

Midrange is dead for 99% of players. Keep holding out for that 1%

 

Where does time really come from?

 

Like I said, agree to disagree.... we talking about 2 different things... Im going to enjoy this Suns vs Warriors game..... I may count how many midrange shots are taken....just for you lol

 

Count the 3s too for me