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If Sengun gets more minutes, where do they come from?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by harold bingo, Nov 25, 2021.

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If Sengun gets more minutes, where do they come from?

  1. Play him with Wood, figure out how to make two bigs work

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  2. Take minutes away from Wood, more Sengun at the 5 with no other big

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  3. A combination of the two options above

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  4. I don't think he needs more minutes

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  5. I have another idea, which I will post in the thread

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  1. gfab-babyboi

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    The Rockets do not take midrange shots .. Wood will Jack up 1-2 a game after holding the ball .. House jacks up 1 a game .. KPJ will jack 1 a game

    We don’t run any plays to get open jumpers at free throw line …it’s actually helped our offense last year when Olynk would shoot them.

    shot charts don’t lie, pack the paint ..make the Rockets shoot 3’s because they only want layups or 3’s

    If KPJ / Green would develop floater - take the elbow/free throw jumper .. it would make defenders step up and allow them even more space to finish
     
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    For one, just because they’re more than average for individuals doesn’t mean it’s the staple of their offense.
    As far as defending, it’s a lot easier to close out midrange than it is 3 pt range. If you want to say predictability, then there’s an issue there too. The majority of Phoenix midrange shots were in the same spots.
     
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    The entire league is predicated on 3 point shooting. Period. Just because a team takes more than the average team doesn’t mean they take a ton or it’s their staple offense.
     
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    Kinda poking a hole in your own argument here. Phoenix offense isn't great because they just decide to shoot midrange shots, they're good because they have some of the best midrange shooters in the league. Just like Curry is good at 3s so the warriors take a lot of 3s. Midrange shots are good for a very small handful of guys, and if you don't have those guys on your team, you shouldn't be taking them. But if you have CP3, KD, Kawhi, Middleton, etc, then yeah, midrange shots are great shots.
     
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    Nobody has a problem with CP3 taking a bunch of mid range jumpers, its that people forget that most players are closer to Westbrook from that range than Paul.
     
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    Exactly …Rockets would rather have someone who shoots 27% from 3 shoot 3’s yet that same person might shoot 43% from the elbow

    Folks problem is they think when someone mentions midrange they are pushing that over the 3pt philosophy …when all you need is the threat of the midrange to open up both drives and 3’s.

    KMJ would be perfect example of a player who would benefit… if he was decent from midrange…the defense would close out vs sagging into the paint as they do now..
     
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    That would literally only be .5 pt differential per 10 shots taken at those percentages. While the 3 pt shooters give more space for the drive and kick game.
    The numbers say midrange is not efficient
     
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    The problem is simple. 43% from two is hardly more efficient than 27% from 3. (.86 vs .81).

    Your last sentence is the main problem I have with everyone advocating for the mid-range. Most players suck from midrange. If you aren't a KD, CP3, or Leonard, most teams will gladly give up the mid-range.
     
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    Once again you must of never played basketball … would you rather have CP3 shooting from the elbow to win a game or Theis from 3?
     
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    the numbers do not say that (what does not efficient even mean? its always about context)...its just your interpretation you attached to the numbers...its always an interpretation ALWAYS... numbers dont talk...

    plus you dont even begin to understand how many numbers there is that arent even taken into account thus making any judgement deficient by default... analytics is only in its infancy...and todays analytics will look naive in 50 years boxscore like

    however the same logic that tell us to use numbers tell us use midrange because you are less predictable and harder to guard and easier to heat up and easier to shot when tired....or you grew up with that shot or psychology or you gonna get better percentages on your 3s and layups...or its a last possesion so efficiency doesnt even matter etc etc
     
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    Its not most players suck from midrange, it’s those players you named know how to get to their spots … like PJ Tucker staying in corner …if you know a player shoots a high % from a spot.. then it doesn’t matter if it’s a 2 vs 3 …. When all you need is to keep defenses honest.
     
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    bucks just won the nba finals by means of jrue holiday and giannis using midrange in key moments of the series...these 2 are not by any definition good midrange shooters in the mold of the above mentioned and you may call it luck but its 100% balls, smarts and skill and 100% legit won championship...

    if harden was there, I BET YOU ANY MONEY, he would rather go 1-13 on 'the most efficient shot' and lost than tried this little inefficient shot...
    TAKE THAT FOR DATA
     
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    Numbers do talk.
    45% at 2s is the same as 30% 3s. Meaning less percentage to get same results. The definition of efficiency.
    And no, midrange is not harder to guard. It plays into the heart of the defense. And elite midrange shooters barely hit 45%. It’s just not a smart shot unless you’re an all time great at it.
     
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    You know you lost the argument when you compare the best ever at it to a back up center.
    And don’t do that to yourself. Don’t want to get into athletic background with you.
     
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    They literally were a 3 pt shooting team. They weren’t a midrange shooting team
     
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    i can't belive in 2021 people are still defending Fort Mid-Range.

    Not only did that ship sail years ago, but it made hundreds of transoceanic voyages, and was finally retired after severe hull damage and broken down into parts at Alang ship breaking yard in 2017.
     
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