If Rudy is here, would Rockets do this TMAC trade?

Dear Mr. 78 posts:

Allow me to point out to you that prior to the Pistons team from last year, every single NBA Finals team was built along the lines of the current roster. Yes, you need 5 players, but it can also be said that you only get to play 5 players, so if 40% of the team you put out on the court is better than 100% of your opposition, you sir are in good shape.

But I digress. As for the championship teams look at the rosters -

Tim Duncan, Robinson and role players

Kobe, Shaq and role players

Iverson...well Iverson and role players

Kidd, Martin and role players (yes, Jefferson WAS a role player.. now he is their only stud)

Lets go back further

Jordan, Pippen, role players
Malone, Stockton, role players
Dream, Clyde, role players


do you get the point ?

 

Cato is overrated. Mobley is a malcontent. He doesn't like playing with Yao. Good riddance.

 

porve it....

and dont trot out that tired quote from before the draft......it became irrelevant after Yao got here and proved he was worth the number 1.

Cat got on board quickly when he found out what Yao could do.

ahhell..why do I bother?

I know for a fact that a huge Yao homer like Panda will never lose his misguided perceptions of Cat not liking Yao or freezing him out(which did not happen as often as certain Yao fans like to claim)

btw...you also realize that Cat and Cato were our two best defenders last year right?

no..I guess you dont....and wouldnt want to even if the fact hit you in the face.

 

There was not a single GM in the NBA who would've rejected the T-Mac trade sitting in CD's position. NO ONE. Anyone who rejects such a trade would've been fired on the spot. And this isn't made up. GMs around the league were all calling it a steal for the Rockets.

And for comparison purposes...

The Lakers had an old, aging superstar, making by far the most money in the NBA, who wanted a ridiculous contract extension, who had ZERO chance of staying. What did they get for him? An all-star, a solid young player with potential, an overpaid veteran, and a 1st round pick.

While it's true that T-Mac isn't as good as Shaq, but he had a much smaller contract for trade purposes and is a lot YOUNGER. Career-wise from this point on, T-Mac is obviously the better bargain. What did the Magic get for T-Mac? An all-star, a solid role player, and a less-overpaid veteran.

 

T-Mac was the right choice!!!

1. T-Mac can pass better than SF/Cat/Cato
2. T-Mac is taller than SF and Cat = better court vision
3. T-Mac+Yao will attract other stars to play here
4. T-Mac has higher basketball IQ
5. T-Mac does not waste time dribbling the ball

Remember all the cursing at SF for his stupid plays?? There's almost nothing to complain about T-Mac.

Maybe the only thing to "complain" about T-Mac is that he's somewhat fragile and injury prone.

 

it kills me the way you alleged basketball fans like to spout off about teams you have NEVER seen play.

Get the league pass before you come in with this "Orlando is the bomb" mess. This is not a vaccum people... these teams have OTHER PLAYERS that are steping up

Look just like yesterday, everyone was all saying that Amare was better than Yao... even though STEVE NASH is the entire reason the Suns are winning

The Orlando GM is not a genus, Okafor is a better player and Orlando is getting extremely lucky - since GRANT HILL is playing like a madman - and lifting the whole team up

If he so much as twists his ankle again - he will be forced to retire... and if that happens I would like to see the Magic lovers (who have never seen a Magic game) come in here with this NONSENSE

 

Back in the Dream days, Rudy T always longed for a PG. So building around Yao, Rudy might have preferred to keep Stevie. Although when TMac is running the point, he looks pretty damned good. So maybe Rudy woulda pulled the trigger.

I dunno. Hypotheticals are tough to answer.

 

Lame thread.

You pay a premium for elite players because of their general unavailability. The "good" players are much easier to get.

I'm one of the people on the board who thought this trade was bad short-term, but excellent long-term.

McGrady is significantly better than Francis. He's probably not better than Francis, Mobley, and Cato collectively (and I think Howard is only marginally useful, and Lue not at all).

But you can pick up a Mobley or Cato in free agency or by making a good draft pick. You can't pick up the difference in quality of McGrady over Francis that way.

 

No matter what people think in this thread but if I have to do it again I will do it without thinking twice. This team foundation is a lot better with YAO and TMAC than with YAO ans SF.
We just need the role players to start hitting open shots. Once those shots start dropping, other teams will have a very hard time playing us.

As for Orlando, they are a lot better now not because SF but because Hill is playing as he used to play a few years ago. In top of that, that team got two very good players in the first round. So, don't confuse their improvement with SF play.

 

Answer to question posed in the title of this thread:

If Rockets do this TMAC trade, Rudy is still here.

 

mag's got some good points, much of Orlando's success I would attribute to the play of G. Hill (don't forget Cat's been injured for a while). Don't forget, we were a playoff team last year. Orlando had to go through many ups and downs to get where they are now, while we are attempting to make a good team (last year's) even better this year.

 

Probably so. Remember Rudy really does not have a good track record regarding picks in the draft and trading for other players.
Just remember who signed Mochie, Cato (to an enormous contract), Mo Taylor (to an enormous contract), picked Boki (who has not lived up to expectations), and so on ...

Thankfully he is not here anymore!!

 

those decisions were not made soley by Rudy...

and just for your information......Cato and Mo both are good players in different ways....Mo on O and Cato on D....their contracts werent worth it at the time of their signing....but seem like a decent deal now with all these players that arent as good as them geting paid just as much.

as far as Boki...I dont know what expectations you had of him...but looking at his play this year....looks like a decent player to me....one of the highest 3pt &age inthe league....a good slasher and one of the better hustle players onthe team...

It occurs to me you need to open your eyes to the facts and quit believeing the talk of other people that probably dont see all the gems anyway.

I dont know whay I am bothering....you obviosuly dont have the proper respect for Rudy inthe first place....Id trust his word/instincts over yours any day of the week when it comes to basketball.

 

Well, this team is in such disarray because all those trades did not pan out.

If all the players are so good, why nobody wants them? Please explain.

 

That's actually really funny.

 

Cry about it...

 

what makes you think no body wants them?

what makes you think we have tried to get rid of them?

If you didnt see the value to the Rockets of Cato alst year...you either dont know jack about ball or you werent watching.

Mo has trememdous value to us....damn good shooter...decent defender when he tries....

Last time I checked, Boki was sitting on top of the league in 3pt shooting...so what he took a year or two to get there.....players that take a couple of years to start doing good are littered all over the league.

Cat Mobley....a RT pick....second round....are you going to try to deny that guy's skills?

Sam Cassell/Robert Horry.....also RT picks(iirc)...would you like to argue they are crap?

Posey was a helluva pickup for RT....it isnt Rudy's fault that CD/Les didnt want to spend the money.

btw...that reminds me....you do realize that RT does not give contracts out...right? He tells CD and Les waht he wants and who he likes...and they work it out witht the agents.(once again...this is what I remember hearing about the way the Rockets do business...I could be mistaken)

Sure....the Rockets have had their share of problems with player movements....but what team doesnt?
I totally do not understand how you can sit there with a straight face and blame it all on Rudy.

If you truely believe it is all on Rudy's shoulders...you are clueless about the state of today's NBA and the Rockets in particular.