I guess what kinda irks me a little is the notion that every player has to be buddy, buddy or hang out. Dream never hung with anyone. Neither did clyde. I guess what else is disturbing is once a notion or a rep on a guy gets started, it keeps rolling if he's not on ur team. Elton Brand has had 1 winning season in his entire career, does that make him a loser? Marbury has been in the playoffs more times than Francis, so does that make him a loser? Sometimes u just have to make it happen and let ur faith take u where u need to go. Had I not been risky, I would be working a stale ass 9-5 making the 50k a year as opposed to the business man I am with 6 figure income chillin. Sports are no different. Greatness is never safe. Trading Daniels so a rookie french pg wasn't safe. Trading tractor trailor for this 20 yr old german guy wasn't safe. Trading a near all start for this 17 high school kid wasn't safe. There are high risk,high rewards to winning in sports. Marbury can still play. Marbury can run the pick and roll better than anyone on our roster except Tracy bar none. Marbury has had issues, known fact. We know this and can get a guy that on some nights can be your best player. We can get that for a 2m in nba money, how is that bad?
ARE YOU OUT OF WHAT LITTLE MIND YOU HAVE LEFT????? Not just no but HELL NO! You keep this up and I'll personally turn you in to Homeland Security as a domestic terrorist...
Leeb, You get it, you understand, I think that your perspective on taking risk that your life has taught you gives you a better insight into how it works. Hillboy, You don't get it. DD
Neither will thinking like this win you anything but the ridicule of the entire professional basketball world. This is the sort of move that a truly inept, stupid and moronic GM like Dawson would do and Morey is none of those things (thank God!!!). Picking up the anti-Christ won't magically erase the years of mismanagement - only hard work, luck & time will. There is no magic bullet (or player) out there that can instantly transform this team into a champion - it has to come from within. Honestly! I liked it better when you kept falling in love with Euros who couldn't play...
So, you think talent wins out then correct? Would you agree Marbury is more talented that Alston? If so, then taking a low risk shot at him would make sense.... Your only argument is that he is a cancer, well Steve Francis was thought to be a cancer, Morey signed him, Mike James - cancer...Morey signed him. Taking a low risk, is EXACTLY what Morey is doing, you are just blind to the entire process. It is ok...I will edumacate you... DD
It shows how much his Value has fallen off of the table compared to players with roughly the same number of years in the NBA. There were reports that the Knicks considered buying him out last fall. As bad as they were performing on the court, they didn't think he could or would help them improve (and they were right). There was an earlier post in this thread that showed Before and After situations for the teams that Marbury was traded from. It wasn't favorable to Marbury and it shows that he has been overpaid for quite some time. You are missing the point that even with him playing for a low salary after being released by the Knicks, many people in this thread would rather he stay away. <hr> A bit earlier in this thread you wrote this: As much as you have complained about the Rockets over recent months (and years), now you are saying that they are loaded with talent compared to all of the teams Marbury has played on in roughly 12 years in the NBA? Even with Yao and McGrady missing some games this past season, the Rockets put up over twice the wins of the Knicks in what most consider the stronger conference. It wasn't because Brooks, Landry, Hayes, Deke, Scola etc were more talented than the Knicks, but that they played like a Team. Marbury has never been know to fit into a Team concept even when drawing a huge salary. Now, with the prospect of getting him for a low salary, you are expecting Marbury to have a revelation and fit into a team concept after all the years of not being able or wanting to. My earlier post about the Scorpion and the Frog comes to mind.
Not so sure this is an accurate depiction. Steve Nash and Jason Kidd are both top 10 PGs of all time that had the ability to turn around floundering teams.
Oh I get the fact that you, Lee and the rest are so damned desperate that you'd consider just about anything. Well sorry. This is the price you (and the Rox) will just have to pay for the years of Dawson-Alexander basketball mediocrity. You like to talk about taking chances but I wonder where you and the rest will be when this franchise lies in ruins because they "took a chance" on cancer. You want the franchise to win it all? Then go tell Les and the scouts to pull their heads out of their asses and start doing their bleeping jobs and run this place like a professional basketball organization. Going through the trash bins of the NBA for players maybe all right for you and yours but that's not me. There are things I won't do and places I just won't go and signing Starbury is at the very top of that list (along with Artest). What's next? Hiring Isiah Thomas as a "consultant"?
I would sign him to a minimum deal and use him as a scoring backup PG. Let him come off the bench and just score and make plays. We would not need him to play with the starting group to set up the offense or be a leader. Marbury is still one of the best scorers in the league. The problem is asking him to lead your team. Asking him to change his game causes him to seem like a team cancer. If you put him in and say "go score" he does that very well. That would allow us to move expiring contracts of L Head, B Jax, and S Francis for a good backup C or athletic wing.
I would prefer that Marbury stay at least a thousand miles away from Houston. I would take a chance on Artest, but not Marbury, for any amount. This team may not be the best in the West, but it does have a degree of chemistry that is worth retaining.
See the Spurs. A classic case of a conservative approach leading to ultimate success. Yes, the Celtics made it work this year by going all out, as have other teams, but there isn't one recipe for success.
I wouldn't go anywhere near Marbury. Why do you think such a "talented" player has bounced around the league so much. First it was he didn't want to play second fiddle to KG. Then the Suns got tired of his attitude and he wanted to go home. His act quickly grew tired on the Nets and he ended up in NY with more problems. He's been a terrible teammate and a head case everywhere he's been. Now, he seems crazier then ever. Would you agree that Marbury is more talented then Chris Duhon? Well, the Knicks are still replacing him with Duhon and Marbury's 20 million comes off the books after this season. Apparently they aren't willing to let him screw up their team. To clarify your comments on Francis aren't really accurate. He just never wanted to leave Houston. There was little risk bringing him here. He's a close friend of Yao's and got along with our staff when he was here. James was a head case but not Marbury style.
Not only that but Francis was not the headcase in NY that Marbury was. Francis was injured but while he played he deferred to Marbury. Only he deferred so much it hurt his game.
Am I missing something? Why would the Knicks buy him out, anyway? His huge expiring contract will be a REALLY valuable chip when the trading deadline comes around. There's always one or two teams who decide it's time to start over if they're floundering in mid-season (this year's Mavs are a prime candidate). The Knicks can always stick Starbury on the bench and not play him. But buying out his contract makes no sense from what I can see -- they'd be spending $10-$15 million and getting absolutely NOTHING in return. Hang on to him until the deadline and you still spend $10 mil, but you can likely get something pretty good in return for that money.
Hillboy- He's just a basketball player, that's it. He's not going to end the world, he's not the devil either. If u don't like him, that's good enough. Like I said earlier, sit at ur desk, make ur 40-50k, work 30 yrs and get ur gold watch and a pat on the back. Meanwhile we see 23 yr old Facebook designer become a billionaire and probably could buy the Rox right now. I also see how u think CD did nothing as the rocket gm. Lets see, he traded Thorpe who was a very key piece in the 94 championship run the next season for the disgruntled Clyde Drexler and won the title. He traded Cassell and Horry for Barkley because the team that was on top had whipped u 16 straight games and wasn't going to let up. Thah season the rox were a play away from game 7 and a trip to the finals. He passed on lewis, which was a mistake, but he did get mobley in the 2nd rd who is still playing 10 yrs later. He then turned some scrubs into the #2 player Francis. After 1 playoff appearance even with the addition of a unknown (ming) whom many thought was a huge risk. Some were calling him a mix between Rik Smits and Shawn Bradley. Yao has been a very good all star center. The safe pick was Jay " stay of the motorcycle" Williams. He turned the highest to backcourt, and Cato, into one of the premier players in the entire league in mcgrady. He bombed on Griffin, but for the most part, he has 2 titles and drafted guys like Kenny Thomas and Mobley late that were good nba players. Before u call CD every name in the book, look also at what he did do and the big balls moves he made. Ask yousrself would morey make any of those trades especially the clyde deal. Brooksball- What was so conservative about trading Avery Johnson's successor so the 19 yr old foreign guy could start? Status quo is cool if that's ur cup of tea, but greatness comes with a price. Someone brought up Moss as a example. People were saying he can't run anymore, he doesn't explode, or that he quit on balls. He gets to NE and broke the td record and turned brady from a very good qb to a all time great with the all time td record on the best offense ever to play. Like I said, all millionaires and billionaires take risks. Les did it. Gates did it. Every actor in holloywood that was in a nothing ass town who decided to be a actor put their balls to the wall. I think what Phoenix did was necessary. They knew they couldn't beat the spurs, today,tommorrow , or next yr. If u know that, what are u supposed to do, ride it out and hope for the best? Does anyone who followed the rox think they would ever beat that mid 90's Sonics team as they were constructed? I'm just honest and sometimes people get hurt when u tell the truth. If the Rox and Jazz played a 15 game series on a neautral court, even with Barry and Mo Evans, the Jazz would still win that series. That's hard for a die hard Rox fan to swallow. I'm not saying Marbury would be the only reason the rox could beat them, but at least I know he could get to the rack and finish against anyone on their roster. I know after a defensive rebound he could push the ball up and put pressure on the opposing defense as opposed to handing it over to tracy jogging up. He would be the best pg talent wise the Rox have had since a sober John Lucas, Period!
