If Les Alexander and Mark Cuban switched teams, would the Rockets be better?

How did you come to this conclusion?
What do you base it on?
NBA executive of the year awards? Maury has 0.
NBA championships as GM? Maury has 0.
Post-season success? Only one playoff series win during his tenure.

 

Man, the Summit was great... Maybe it's just the venue with all the pretend corporate fans that show up during the 3rd qtr...

 

Le$ : hardly talk
Cuban: hardly shut his mouth.

Aside from the weird crush on Parson, they are very very...similar

 

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Wait, so everyone for Les, is good with extending McHale early, and never firing a coach for mediocre playoff performance?? I'm not talking about McHale being fired, but definitely think off-season would be better time to discuss extension... You know since Les doesn't fire coaches... And playoff performance for this franchise has been a joke in this century. Again, it's not like McHale was going to run off to another team, so why rush?

 

Trading for an MVP caliber player for peanuts does not happen. He may not be the best, but he's definitely in that discussion.

 

good morning sheep. I missed you Jordeeeehhhhnn. You coin flipping sob

 

A lot of you guys take things for granted, this is characteristic of the "old dudes" who loved b-ball in the 80's, guys like you are like Barkley who come with euphemisms like "talent builds championships, analytics aren't talent".

Well I'm sorry but the NBA has entered into a new game, you need more than "common sense" to succeed, you need numbers and analytics. Statements like these and stuff like what that hermanos dude and kwame says about DM not being one of the best GMs in the league show a severe lack of understanding of what it takes to build a competitive team in the modern NBA, the Philly's team for example are compiling one of the worst records ever in history and yet everyone's talking about changing the league rules because that team is breaking the **** out of the lottery system. In contrast the Cavs have achieved so much more success the past 10 years but in contrast I'd guess most people would take Philly's FO over Cavs anyday of the week. In the same way, this simplistic thinking of "how many rings have Maury won" doesn't take into account factors like how the franchise initially started out or compares it to other FOs, for example OKC started out with 100% capspace, Kevin Durant and a lottery pick while the Rox started out capped out, oldest team in the league, and no talent. 6 years later the Rox have a bigger chance of winning a ring.

Cuban is a great owner, if I were to compare him to owners in the league I'd say he is probably Jordan, he makes mistakes but at the end of the day he is a billionaire who truly loves B-ball. But at the same time because he is the gold standard, he is the exception in the 30 or so owners so why would you compare a normal billionaire like Les Alexander over someone who could probably pay a portion of the US national debt and still have more money then his great great great great grandchildren can spend in their lifetime? This is like comparing Harden to Jordan and saying would the Rox have a better record if we had MJ prime over James Harden. What about the other 28 or so owners apart from Alexander and Cuban, would the Rox be better of with Sarver? Or what about the Chicago owner? Everyone keeps saying **** like Le$ here and Le$ there but at the same time those owners are SELLING picks for cash, Alexander has been buying picks for cash. Again this is the sort of analysis you old folks lack, in your mind I suppose paying the luxury tax = wanting to win. How many times have NYC and Portland paid the tax again?

 

I'm effing shocked at how many of you voted Cuban. The guy cares about his team and is willing to spend money, I'll give him that, but they have consistently not drafted or traded very well over his tenure, and stayed relevant because Dirk is a hall of fame quality player. 15 years down the line the Harden-led Rockets will hopefully be remembered similarly.

 

Mark Cuban is a jackass, but he's undeniably one of the best owners in the NBA.

 

The fact that Cuban is > than les on rockets message board tells you all you need to know. It would be 8-2 on a neutral site. I want my owner to spend money. Les has gone over the luxury tax once for 700k. He has won one playoff series in 17 years. The two rings he has are due to a guy he fired. He had two superstars and he surrounded them with retreads like Clarence weatherspoon and Luther Head.

 

Maybe during the championship Les' leadership was noteworthy.

I can only say his leadership went mediocre the moment 2YK started.

The best thing he did was hiring Morey and Morey could not even deliver a 3rd round in 7-8 years.

 

Les is among the best owners in sports and he's always been committed to winning. That's all that matters to me. If we were to lose him it's almost a certainty his replacement would be inferior.

 

All this time half the board secretly covets Cuban. Puts the Mavs games in a whole new light. Disgusting. Half of you ARE Chandler Parsons.

 

But you make it sound like Cuban took this horrible, losing team and transformed them into a winner by himself. He didn't. He had a team with Dirk, who at the time wasn't very good, but became a great player during his tenure there.

Dirk isn't as good as Hakeem. No way. Not even close. But he is the only reason people think Mark Cuban is such a good owner and good team builder. For something he never did.

With Les, we had a team with Hakeem, and got other stars to partner with him in Clyde, then Barkley, then Pippen. Besides 1995, that obviously didn't work out quite the way we hoped. But then when those stars were gone, we were able to draft a new star in Yao and then able to partner him with T-Mac. Those years, unfortunately, were always known as "what if", if those players could only stay healthy. But then when they were gone, we were able to get new stars in Harden and Howard and the story is still being written.

Cuban got a team with Dirk. He has middling moves and no luck star chasing since then. Dirk has been an elite player and given the Mavs success. Cuban got lucky in 2011 when Dirk was far and away the best player during the playoff run so he could win a championship, which he immediately dismantled so he could chase other star players. He still hasn't had any luck luring them to Dallas.

 

les ignored the fans who want drexler gone

 

Cuban's a good businessman. He took an eternally dysfunctional organization and made it a thriving business. The franchise valuation has shot up since Cuban took over. His teams are more competitive than the pre-Cuban ones. The customer experience has gotten a lot better, and attendance along with it. He has personally added a ton of value to that business by being a much better leader than his predecessors. However, he has also gotten too involved on the basketball side and I feel like he has gotten in his own way by thinking he was smarter than everyone else. Especially in his decision to let Steve Nash go, and later to break up a championship team thinking he could just build another one.

Les isn't a slouch of a businessman either. I think he took over an organization that wasn't as dysfunctional as the Mavs had been, so there was no big turnaround job. But, the Rockets are a pretty well-run organization with a pretty good customer experience, and teams that never sink too low. He probably doesn't have the drive Cuban has had to do a knock-out job, but on the flipside, he's had the wisdom to let his basketball people do the basketball operations. Since that's the thing I most care about, I prefer Les. I have respect for Cuban, but I'm happy to have him as owner of some other team.

 

Beautiful ranting. Love it.

 

I'd say the Spurs GMs are better than the Rockets or Mavericks combined...and this is coming from someone who hates the Spurs.