If LeBron James is so great, why does he have to change teams and stack the deck with superstars

When ppl don't have a argument they bring up stupid stuff like "win shares". Where does Pau stack up against the GOAT centers?

 

Like Wade being happy to leave and going back to Miami?

 

The Lakers had the best team talent in basketball when they won with Gasol. The only comparable team was Boston, and KG wasn't the same after his knee injury in 2009.

Hakeem had Drexler in 95.

Duncan had great talent around him every year he won besides 2003.

 

Why are you mentioning GOAT centers when discussing LA winning titles with Gasol? He didn't have to beat GOAT centers those years. He had to beat Howard in 09 and a gimpy KG in 10, with Perkins missing the last two games. Good luck mentioning any other bigs LA faced those two years.

Stop the revisionist history. LA had arguably the most talent in the league when they won in 09 and 10. The only comparable squad was Boston.

 

Outside of Kobe, those guys were system guys. No superstars. Boston was by FAR the most talented team of that era. Drexler was WAY past his prime

 

Gasol is not a system guy (he's a HOF guy) and KG wasn't the same post injury in 2009. Stop the madness. We remember how talented the Lakers were when they won titles.

And trust me, we recall how great Drexler still was too.

 

To be fair, Gasol was 20-10 player at the time, along with Andrew Bynum who was turning into a pretty good center, before he lost it. Add in pretty talented Lamar Odom and serviceable players throughout the roster, then added MWP in the 2nd title run. That's a pretty solid team, even without Kobe.

The only LeBron teams that might have reached the playoffs without him, where the Heat teams and 2015-2016 Cavs, maybe 2016-17 team. But that's it, I doubt this years team and pre-2010 teams he played for would've made the playoffs- the 09-10 team is arguable.

 

Your argument was for “star players leaving”.

Wade doesn’t fall into that category.

He also left because he didn’t like his role and he got to go back home to Miami where he realized he should’ve never left.

 

Why did he join the Cavs in the first place if he didn’t like playing with LeBron?

I don’t think his decision to leave had anything to do with his relationship with LeBron specifically. He left despite LeBron being on the team, not because of it.

 

Crazy that the 16-17 Cavs were like 1-8 without LBJ or something.

 

In my opinion, LeBron is a closer and a coach on the floor. He leads and directs.

As for “stars leaving”...

Kyrie is the only one and as of all the reports coming out iirc, he wanted to run the show. You can’t do that with LeBron at the helm. Kyrie isn’t anywhere near the player LeBron is, but I’m sure Kyrie thinks he is.

 

I am not going to wade too deep into this cesspool.

I will only say that LeBron James is basically the only reason the Cavs are up 3-2 in their series with the Pacers. He has received zero help.

He is an absolute MONSTER.

 

As I mentioned before, there is a reason why we have coaches in sports, and even in life. There is a reason why we have great coaches who tend to win more than others.

There is also a reason why superstars usually do not make very good coaches. LeBron trying to be GM and coach is one of his biggest weaknesses. Jordan, considered to be GOAT, is a subpar GM.

 

the lakers were generally regarded as having the best front court in the league during their run.

no other team then had 2 skilled 7 footers.

this is why the nba world doesn't take kobe fans seriously. this is why they're considered a joke on every nba message board. they lie and try to rewrite history to big up their idol.

 

Actually, he was 18-7 guy. Pau has had a solid career but he's not a superstar. Andrew Bynum was a good system player, like Lamar Odom was. But the Lakers weren't that talented overrall. Lebron's had WAY more talent around him than Kobe throughout his career. Even with Shaq, Kobe has never played with a superteam

 

Good thing is we were spared of Kobe stans here, there were not that many.

 

Kobe+Shaq IS Super team you dumb ****, arguably 2 top 10 all time players, with Shaq having some of the most dominant seasons of all time, go drink some more of that Lebron hate cool aid. Any Lebron topic turns into you hatting him 24/7.

 

Shaquille was not the hardest worker but he is a Top 6 or Top 8 player Ever.

That is hitting a jackpot not once but twice. Physically the most dominant I could witness at my age (Hakeem was more finesse).

He could move thicc players with his butt alone.

Dwight Howard at his best was one of his fingers.

I probably place Kobe at Top 15-18 Alltime. Arguable so dun shoot the messenger here.

 

I don't hate Lebron, but I'm also not a Lebron nuthugger either. He's a great player but he's not top 5. A superteam is a team with 3 superstars. Who's the 3rd superstar Kobe played with in their respective primes? We know Lebron's played with atleast 2 other superstars in everyone of his titles. If you look at who's played with more overrall talent in their primes Lebron wins by FAR (in a FAR weaker conference). This offseason he will switch teams (AGAIN!!) to join another star-fested roster. At what point do we start holding this against his legacy?

 

What is wrong with choice though?

That is the whole point of FREE AGENCY, so people can have their choice. In the case of those all time greats you mention, they were just lucky they got drafted by Krause, Popovich and West. Is Lebron supposed to just cry in the corner because he got drafted by an incompetent GM? His first 7 years he toiled in Cleveland and all he got was flak from Kobe and Jordan homers how he can't win a ring. He made the correct move to pick his teammates because if he didn't he wouldn't have 3 rings by now. Everybody needs superstar teammates to win a ring, Kobe got destroyed by the PHX Suns and Jordan couldnt get past Detroit Pistons by themselves.