If Kobe gets his ring this year, how is he not the GREATEST?

Man....is this the same guy? I'll just stop arguing in that case. That guy was a f'n moron.

 

true

true; but Kobe would have won 8, 2 more than MJ. that's because Kobe would not have wasted those 2 years on professional baseball.

that said, MJ is still the G R E A T E S T NBA baller ever, while Kobe (another first ballot HoF) is not even the Greatest LA Laker ever

 

b/c the lakers' championship teams have been able to win some games with kobe having C games in the playoffs. and he had at least 4 of them already so far in just 2 rounds this year.

so no, he's not.

 

Based on the standards mentioned, Kobe IF he wins a title this year, will have to do it all over AGAIN next year or in following years to get in the discussion with Jordan.

That is, lead the league in scoring, win the MVP award, win the title and win the finals MVP. All in the same year. Kobe has to combine his 2007 (scoring title), 2008 (MVP) and 2009 (Title) seasons TOGETHER in 1 year. Jordan did this MULTIPLE times. And I'm no Jordan admirer.

To be fair to Kobe, it'll be tough for the next player to match what he's already done.

 

Congrats, you've accomplished something with yourself.

1st poster ever to be put on my ignore list. Your arguments are pretty weak and you chose to pick and choose exactly what posts to respond to when you feel like you have a compelling case.

FYI, Jordan made Pippen into the 50th greatest and HOF caliber player he was. Shaq is one and he won 3 rings piggy backing his dominance. The other ONE came from having the best team in the league and the easiest road to a championship ever, which would not have happened if Yao's foot wouldn't have broken in half.

3,2,1 IGNORE!

 

Michael Jordan would completely dominate todays "dont touch me game"

Michael Jordan = Kobe and Lebron combined...thats why both will always draw comparisons but neither will ever match up to jordan

if youve never seen him play i suggest you wander over to youtube and watch his dominance

 

There aren't many who consider him the best player right now, much less for the next few years.

Your logic seems to be based on personal performance, so you quantify Jordan's 6 NBA Titles by pointing to Pippen as the glue between team chemistry, saying Jordan had the same nucleus from the 1991 Title to the 1998 team is simply absurd. Scottie Pippen was the constant yes, but the core around the team was much different.

Likewise Kobe has usually played with a dominant supporting cast, in LA the teams had Shaq as well as Fisher and Rice and Horry, great shooters, now he's surrounded by the likes of Gasol, Bynum, and Odom who present a length matchup nightmare on a game-by-game basis for most teams.

All the major contenders have tried to bring in more length to deal with the Lakers. The Cavs brought in Shaq and Leon Powe, The Celtics brought in Rasheed, the Magic kept Gortat and brought in Brandon Bass. They needed the height to deal with the Lakers. Kobe hasn't done anything special this season except hit his usual game winners, other than that he's hasn't been especially dominant on the offensive end. He isn't as fluid an athlete as he once was. Wade and James are light years better at getting to the rim and drawing contact.

So to recap: your fundamental failure in logic has been well evidenced by your lack of understanding, and in fact you even contradicted yourself directly by questioning Jordan's supporting cast with obvious ignorance to the changes it went through over the course of the 1990s.

 

Jordan played in the same system.

 

this is an amusing thread

 

Jordan was the most dominant player the NBA had ever seen before Phil Jackson got there, then Phil molded his talent into deadly efficiency with the triangle.

Still, the addition of Rodman to the 96 Bulls coming back with a rejuvenated Jordan was unfair for the rest of the league, and we're talking about a league that still had Hall of Famers still playing dominant basketball everywhere. Nobody could content with that 96 Bulls team (Maybe the Rockets ). You throw in Ron Harper and Steve Kerr forget about it. Best team of all time.

 

Hakeem is better than both MJ and Kobe!

 

He doesn't need HOF teammates. Instead of looking at that, how about you compare the talent level on his team to other teams. The Lakers have arguably the most talent in the NBA. At a time where skilled bigs are scarce, LA has two legit 7 footers and a very skilled 6-10 guy coming off the bench. They won't see a team with a skilled guy above 6-9 until the Finals. They added another defensive stopper in Artest and have a PG that's great at rising to the occassion and hitting big shots, unlike Mo Williams for example. So if you somehow think they don't arguably have the most talent in the league then you are a serious homer.

On top of that, they only faced one healthy team in the playoffs last year if I am remembering right, and I believe that was Denver.

 

We are in a new age! I don't remember Jordan enough to call him the greatest. Kobe is the best I have seen and been able to remember.

 

OH MAN OH MAN THE IRONY.

Almost every reply to a Kobe lover has been broken down point by point. Instead they always ignore my replies and go off on another tangent because they have no answer and try to change the topic. You're one of the best ones around here at doing it. So I'm kind of done with that.

I even posted this exact same sentiment to goodbug last night.

Considering you're avoidance of the question, you're knowledge (or lack thereof) of NBA basketball pre-Kobe (actually you're not doing to hot about the present either), and the way you write your posts...you're around 15? Am I right?

AMIRITE?

 

You're totally right smoothie. It bothers me that people assume the GOAT has to be a guard. What people don't realize is that it is damn near impossible to win anything substantial without an all-star caliber big.

 

Professor Jay, do you follow the Moohead Live show in Cleveland with Spinner Dave?

 

How about screwing his team out of a finals series taking 35% of the teams shots shooting 33% from the field.

How about getting completely shut down when there were 3 other HOF players on the team with him in the finals

How about Losing at home to the Celtics in the biggest home lost ever in NBA Finals history

How about getting his big man traded then proceed to miss the playoffs the next year followed by two encores of being eliminated by the D'Antoni no defense playing Suns

How about being beat in ever statistical category probaby besides shots taken but a 25 year old about 3 years in a row

How about never leading the league in clutch performance but going off of reputation

How about only having one freaking MVP, and one less than Steve Nash

How about not being able to win Jack without a dominant big man covering all of your mistakes

We could go on but you get the picture, he's not considered the greatest because he's not

 

It's a sad sad thread when someone says 'Boston is the most talented team in the NBA' and it not be the most preposterous statement in the thread.

 

hahahaha this thread wasted about 5 minutes of my life while im at work.
anyway, according to history, it has always seemed that a big has been necessary to win championships EXCEPT for jordan (unless you consider luc longley, bill cartwright, or bill wennington to be elite ) i'll have to say that kobe is NOT a top 5 talent when the pool has (in no particular order) hakeem, jordan, russell, wilt, and oscar robertston. dont even forget larry legend, kareem, and sir magic johnson. this is coming from, me, a fan of kobe.