If Kobe gets his ring this year, how is he not the GREATEST?

Just corrected your fact that you stated that Tim won 4 ships as no. 1 option thats all.

I didn't dismiss it like the 99 finals. For me that season is clearly a joke. 50 game season come on, nothing you can get out of that.

Are you really telling me Patrick Ewing to the Knicks is less important than Jameer Nelson to the Magic? Jameer didn't play at all in the second half of last season and with Rafer Alston as their starting PG (surprise surprise LOL) that team remained a top 3 team in the East and got to the finals. Thats right with no Jameer that team got to the finals and beat the best team in the league in Cleveland.

That Knicks team had Ewing until the ECF. You really think they wouldn't have made a difference?

 

He did win 4 as a #1 option. Parker got a Finals MVP because he had a great series. He was not the Spurs top option. Dumars wasn't the Pistons best player in 89. Worthy wasn't the Lakers best player in 88. Both won Finals MVP.

You can get a ring out of that. Every team in the league tried to win the title, playing under the same rules and conditions. I bet you wouldn't think it was a joke if your team won.

Actually yes. In 1999 Ewing was 37 and shot 43% for the year. He didn't make the ASG, an all nba team, a all d team....nothing. Nelson was beasting before his injury. I can argue that Okur (out vs LA in round 1) was just as important, or that Yao (out vs LA in round 2) was way more important. Discounting a title due to injury isn't something a fan of the 09 Lakers should do.

You don't think Okur (round 1), Yao (round 2) and Nelson (Finals) would have made a difference?

 

What the freaking accomplishment with winning your first three rings with Shaq, and winning your last two (if he wins this year) with Pau Gasol and Odom? Hell Paul Pierce can win a ring with that kind of lineup too!

Also if you're talking about championships with different casts then Robert Horry won more championships with different casts than Kobe. Therefore he must be better than Kobe. It still doesn't address all the other categories that MJ are better at.

P.S. Nice to see your status. Ron Artest is too good for you though, I think you should reach Pippen levels around here...

 

I'm not even gonna argue with you anymore LOL you cant' get your facts right. 1st you said Tim Duncan won a championship while being the 1st option on all 4 of his championships which was clearly wrong as Parker won the Finals MVP in their last championship. Then you say Okur with the Jazz missed round 1 vs the Lakers last year which he didnt

 

And btw the Rockets were down 2-1 when Yao went down last year, what makes people think the team would've still had a chance vs the Lakers? LA just got bored and complacent and they paid for it with 2 embarrassing losses at Hou

 

Tim Duncan was the 1st option in all 4 of his championships; he was the guy the defenses were geared to stop and the guy the Spurs went to to get a bucket. That Tony Parker happened to have a great series is irrelevant. It's just like Worthy won the Finals MVP with the Lakers in '88, when it was obviously Magic running the show.

And Okur was injured last year vs the Lakers. He only played sporadically in the final two games.

My god, Kobe fans are dense. It's like there isn't a bright on in the bunch.

 

He will never be the greatest because Michael Jordan was a better basketball player.

 

I'm sure it's been mentioned but how many rings do you think LeBron would have after this season if he had been on the Lakers over the past several years instead of Kobe and all else was the same, i.e., he got to play with Gasol, Odom, Bynum and now Artest? I'd say at least one.

Meanwhile, would Kobe have won a 4th championship if he played on the Cavaliers over the last several years and else was the same? My guess is no.

Kobe was getting knocked out in 1st round or missing the playoffs entirely for multiple seasons in the post-Shaq era until they gifted him with the best supporting cast in the league.

 

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LMAO at Kobe throwing the elbow first then going bananas when the other dude actually starts fighting back :grin:

 

without a closer on the team, most probably, the Lakers would not have won any rings.

with a closer on the team, Cavs would have beaten the Magics last season to advance to the Final round of playoff, and beaten the Celts this last series. don't know about winning any rings.

 

Tim Duncan was still the #1 option on that team. He led them in scoring during the year. The offense ran through him. Tony Parker just had a better series in the Finals. That's not the same as TD being the #2 guy.

 

The Lakers didn't need a closer in 2001. They won almost every game by double digits. That was mostly because of the dominance of Shaq. Kobe was a very important player, but he was a clear #2.

 

I didn't realize winning Finals MVP made a person the 1st option. I guess Worthy was the Lakers 1st option the year he won Finals MVP?

Okur didn't play until Game 4 of the first round last year. The series ended in 5.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904190LAL.html

 

I really don't see how having a closer would help the Cavs stop Dwight Howard or the 6-10 wings being matched on 6-3 guards, since that is why they lost the series. Please explain.

 

Really? If LBJ was there they would have by double digits every game, I don't see why a closer is needed.


with a closer on the team, Cavs would have beaten the Magics last season to advance to the Final round of playoff, and beaten the Celts this last series. don't know about winning any rings.[/QUOTE]

Having a closer isn't a be-all-and-end-all solution to winning games you know. Kobe got his ass handed to him in the playoffs before Gasol got traded there. I don't know why you think Kobe being there would have made Jamison shoot better.

 

Pau Gasol is the best player on the Los Angeles Lakers basketball team.