If Kobe gets his ring this year, how is he not the GREATEST?

I'm not the one that said that idiot.

You said "If Kobe Gets His Ring This Year? How Is He Not The Greatest?"

Answer the following instead of dodging it over and over again rapist lover:


Olympic Gold Medals_____ Jordan 2_______ 1 Kobe
NBA Championships_____ Jordan 6_______ 4 Kobe
Finals MVP____ Jordan 6_______ 1 Kobe
NBA MVP_____ Jordan 5_______ 1 Kobe
Scoring Titles______ Jordan 10______ 2 Kobe
Steals Leader______ Jordan 3_______ 0 Kobe
All Star Selections_______ Jordan 14______ 12 Kobe
All Star MVP_______ Jordan 3_______ 3 Kobe
All NBA Selections_______ Jordan 11______ 12 Kobe
Defensive First Team_____ Jordan 9_______ 8 Kobe
Slam Dunk Champion____ Jordan 2_______ 1 Kobe
Rookie of the Year_______ Jordan 1_______ 0 Kobe
DPOY ____ Jordan 1_______ 0 Kobe
Playoff PPG____ Jordan 33.5________ 25.1 Kobe
Reg Season PPG Jordan 30.1_____ 25.3 Kobe

How exactly is Kobe the best of all time?

(Somebody feel free to make an actual table )

 

I don't think name-calling is the way to go.

 

i like how you are still posting when the stats are right there in your face and you just choose to avoid it for 28 pages.

explain the numbers or gtfo

 

Thats the antagonists p***y way out.

Dont antagonize and instigate, then point out how the responders are being inappropriate, trying to turn the tables. It takes 15 people to tell one antagonist to "shut the ***** up". Thats why it always looks like "haters" are in full force. It might be annoying that bees sting the hell out of you, but dont reach into their hive to make them sting you.

 

What an awesome post!!!! lol

How can anyone argue with this, the FACTS are laid right in front of you

 

Normally I would agree with you, but a Faker fan trolling a Rockets board claiming a rapist is the best player of all time is too much for me.

 

Can someone shut this moron up, after 28 pages of non-sequitur's, and dodging he has to yet to even post one credible argument to back up his idiotic claims, and I for one abhor such abject stupidity, especially when it IS backed up by a whole lot of hot air.

EITHER ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THERE ISN'T A SINGLE STATISTIC TO BACK UP YOUR LUDICROUS CLAIMS OR STFU AND GTFO. THIS THREAD WAS CREATED BY YOU ON THE PREMISE THAT WITH ANOTHER RING "HOW CAN KOBE NOT BE CONSIDERED THE GREATEST?" AND YET YOU SEEM INCAPABLE OF DEFENDING YOUR OWN CLAIM. THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT PAU GASOL, OR IF KOBE IS GREAT, OR IF HE IS TOP 10.....BUT IT IS ABOUT HIM BEING THE GOAT SO STOP HIDING IN A CORNER AND ADDRESS 28 PAGES OF FACTS AND STATS POSTED BY OTHER POSTERS WHICH IRREVOCABLY REFUTE YOUR CLAIM. OTHERWISE STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH YOUR BAGHDAD BOB IMPRESSION!

 

So why don't you tell why Kobe's better than Jordan? Is it because he has 5 rings to Jordan's 6? How about 1 finals MVps to Jordan's 6? 1 MVP to Jordan's 5? 1 Olympic gold medal to MJ's 2?


I'm not a Jordan fanboy, far from it, I haven't even watched a full Jordan game. What I am attached to are FACTs You can't even give me a good reason why Kobe is somehow better than Jordan despite having less rings, season mvps and finals mvps then he does.

Player of the decade? Jordan's the top 1 of the NBA's 50 greatest players of all time

 

AHA! Obviously Kobe is better than Jordan!!!

 

You're the one who said "If Kobe get his ring THIS year? How is he not the greatest?"

You said THIS year. Not 3 or 4 years from now. THIS year. If Kobe wins 10 more rings with 10 Finals and season MVPs then obviously he's GOAT. But we're not talking about your hypotethetical career run Kobe will have starting next year. We're talking about this year.

 

It is funny how You cherry pcik the bad arguments and comment on that. I have posted this beofre in this thread:

Jordan\ Bryant
Years played 15\ 14
Championships 6] \ 4
MVP 5 \ 1
DPY 1\ 0
Finals MVP 6 \ 1
All NBA 1st 10\ 8
All NBA 2nd 1\ 2
NBA 1st defensive team 9\ 8
All Star games 14\ 12

Career Average
Points 30,1\ 25,3
Reb 6,2\ 5,3
Ass 5,3\ 4,7
St 2,35\ 1,5
Blk 0,8\ 0,6
FG% 0,497\ 0,455
3P FG% 0,327\ 0,34
FT% 0,835\ 0,838

Career Play offs Average
Points 33,4\ 25,1
Reb 6,4\ 5
Ass 5,7\ 4,7
St 2,1\ 1,4
Blk 0,88\ 0,7
FG% 0,487\ 0,448
3P FG% 0,332\ 0,332
FT% 0,828\ 0,81

Best statistical Year Excluding fewer than 40 games
Points 37,1 (86-87)\ 35,4 (05-06)
Reb 8 (88-89)\ 6,9 (02-03)
Ass 8 (88-89)\ 6 (05-05)
St 3,16 (87-88)\ 2,2 (02-03)
Blk 1,6 (87-88)\ 1 (98-99)
FG% 0,539 (90-91)\ 0,469 (01-02)
3P FG% 0,427 (95-96)\ 0,383 (02-03)
FT% 0,851 (90-91)\ 0,868 (06-07)


Based on either statistics and awards there is no way anybody can possible argue that Bryant was better than Jordan. The only things in which Bryant is better than jordan is 3point Fg and free throws, but even that is erased in the play offs.

The most important stat is the finals MVP, Jordan has 6 kobe has 1, so in only one of his finals was he the best player. How can he be the best ever when in 75% of his championships he wasn't even the best player on the team.

I think most people here are not emotionally attached to Jordan, I personally do not like him, but you cannot denie how great of a player he was. I'm not sure if Jordan is the best ever however he is certainly better than Kobe.

If Kobe somehow increases his stats, and wins another 5 championships in which he is final MVP I might say he is better than Jordan. I just do not see that happening.

 

If he's "sonned" for another 28 pages he might have something on you.

 

Well, lets look at the imporant stats: championships, finals mvp, nba mvp, scoring titles, steals leader, defensive first team, all nba teams, dpoy, reg season ppg, and playoff ppg.

Of those, even if Kobe maintains his current level of play, the only ones he has a realistic shot at matching are defensive first team and championships.

There's no way he'll win 5 more finals mvp, 8 more scoring titles, 4 more mvps, 3 more steal leaders, a dpoy, or raise his scoring averages to match Jordan's.

 

People haven't really even mentioned Jordan's post-game, which was absolutely potent and an aspect of his game in which you could run an offense around. Of course, it might not be Shaq or Gasol in the post, good thing Jordan had Dennis Rodman manning the post for him on offense . I don't hear many people here saying that Bryant's not good or even great, but only you seem to not know that he's not the greatest of all time. Did you even watch Shaq play during those years? Yes, he wasn't what he is now and what he was was a guy capable of grabbing 15 rebounds and dropping 30+ points on any center while shooting 60%. I'm not saying that Bryant had nothing to do with those title victories, but to say that his production was more valuable than that is ridiculous.

In 1999, the Lakers hired Phil Jackson as their new head coach, and the team's fortunes soon changed. Using Jackson's triangle offense, O'Neal and Bryant went on to enjoy tremendous success on the court, as they led the Los Angeles Lakers to three consecutive NBA titles (2000, 2001, and 2002). O'Neal was named MVP of the NBA Finals all three times and has the highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history.

O'Neal was also voted the 1999–2000 regular season Most Valuable Player, coming just one vote short of becoming the first unanimous MVP in NBA history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O'Neal#Los_Angeles_Lakers

You got that? That means sidekick.

 

Thanks for responding. The different era argument is in favor of Kobe? I think very few would agree.

Furthermore that doesn't change the fact that, Jordan has 6 final MVP's and kobe has only 1, so in only one of his finals was he the best player. How can he be the best ever when in 75% of his championships he wasn't even the best player on the team.

The OP said that Kobe is the best ever if he win another championship this year. In which case he hasn't passed Jordan in any of the categories.

Kobe hasn't been the best player in the league in most of his years. Jordan was. People who say Kobe should have had more MVP's apperently forgot about the MVP for Karl Malone (which I can understand, who wants to remember that award).