If Kobe gets his ring this year, how is he not the GREATEST?

Not much different? The suporting cast around Gasol were the perfect role players who were good at certain aspects of the game...the other guys were nobodies who kobe took to the playoffs 2 years in a row in the tough West

 

the fact that gasol (as the lone all-star) got his team in the playoffs in the tough west is a testament to how good he was (look at memphis without him now). i think people overlook that.

sure he's not good enough to win a series, heck a playoff game even, by himself. but hey, kobe couldn't win even ONE playoff series by himself either. he only muster 4 wins in 2 playoff runs as the best player of his team. so technically, kobe has done ONLY a bit better than pau as the big dog. and kobe missed the playoffs the other year.

so it's not like kobe did something great by himself like get past the first round or anything. that's the position dwayne wade is in too.

if kobe was able to go to the 2nd or 3rd round as the main guy WITHOUT pau, your argument would weigh more.

 

Pretty amazing that old, overweight, cancerous Shaq was able to go to a team and immediately win another title. Does that mean Wade>Kobe or that Shaq was, in fact, still a great player? My opinion: Kobe killed what would have been at least another two titles (and three if you count the one in 2004 that they should have won but not for his incredible selfishness). But that's what he needed to be "the man" I guess. He's just lucky to be in such a great organization with shady connections to Memphis so as to quickly acquire another first-option to allow him to be in the title run again. Most players are no so fortunate to be given a second (sometimes even a first) chance.

 

If you want a good laugh, checkout Kobe's Finals stats. The guy chokes the biggest on the biggest stage. What he did in 2004 & 2008 was a damn disgrace (expect to add 2010 to that if Gasol takes them by Phoenix).

 

Shaq was better than Kobe. Fact

Shaq's PER first year with Heat- 27
Kobe's PER that year- 23.3

 

Well Kobe got his team to the playoffs as well...twice and the year he didnt, he missed 16 games.

In 05/06 he had a 3-2 lead and he was trailing game 6 at home in the final seconds. He hit the potential gamewinner but Kwame/Odom failed to secure a rebound and they went to overtime and lost that game.

Kobe put the no.2 seeded Suns, at the brink of elimination

The same Suns team that swept Gasol's grizzlies the year before in the playoffs

 

yet add Gasol to this group of nobodies and they win a title. Hmmmm?

 

let's be cordial here. he at least got to the finals, and that's something most players don't even get to achieve. let's not downplay that, although you're right.

but to get to the finals 6 times already (winning 4) and possibly a 7th time this year is just a great achievement. you can only count on your hand a list of other great players who did the same thing, if that.

 

kobe stans have not forgot the subject about kobe being the greatest and have avoided all comparisons to jordan (because if you're gonna be hailed as the greatest you're going have to surpass jordan) to compare kobe to wade and lebron even tho nobody is hailing those as the greatest of all time.

 

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that's like saying tmac by himself took every team he faced in the first round to the max (and he did that except for the jazz series in 08). it doesn't matter. he lost.

and kobe lost in the first round or missed the playoffs every year he was the only all-star. he was like tmac basically lol.

 

Uhh wat? The team that swept Gasol's Grizzlies had one Amare Stoudamire, who averaged like 25ppg in that series. The Suns team the following year was far weaker but the brackets worked out for them. I know this because the Clippers made the 2nd round that year. The Clippers!

 

when Gasol game

Brian Cook gone
Smush Parker gone
Kwame Brown gone
Luke Walton played a minimum role off the bench
Sasha had the biggest fluke year...he has done Sh%% since
Mo Evans gone

I see a lot of addition by substraction there

 

But they improved defensively...the 05/06 suns team were better Defensively the 04/05 team. They added Diaw and they added House. They were just as lethal but sources were different.

 

yea but look at the supporting cast man. Kobe's cast was garbage, how can you compare that to Tmacs?

I know the bottom line is they both lost but you can't deny the fact that the quality of players were different the outcome would be successful for Kobe

 

I just think Gasol would have perhaps won a game or two if he didn't have to contend with Amare at his best down low. BTW, Gasol has always been phenomenal in the playoffs.. he just needed a second fiddle like Kobe to advance. Similar to many top stars.

 

or he just couldn't get it done as a no.1 and he's the perfect no.2

 

Like I said, the main difference between the title team and that team was Gasol.

 

Well, that's just semantics, but when your stats as a no 2 are better than the no 1, I think you should swap names.

 

or kobe made elevated his play