If Kobe gets his ring this year, how is he not the GREATEST?

See, they were injured. That's why Kobe was able to beat them.

 

You claim that the Kings were contenders and then proceed to list the injuries that would logically preclude them from being contenders...

And yet you seem proud to have disproved your own point...

 

Malone and Stockton were in the playoffs in the 3 peat years, they just never faced the Lakers.

Sheed's Blazers were definitely better than the Mark Price Cavs Jordan faced in the early rounds in his first 3 peat

Oh puhhhlease Kings were the biggest threat to the Lakers last 2 years of the 3 peat, they were deadly.

haha the Knicks were popular in the 90s but they were never a solid championship caliber team...do you really see them beating the Spurs of 00-02? the Kings of 00-02? No way.

I'll give you Shaq's magic, that was a good team

 

Exactly. I assumed posters were intelligent and didn't need the injury history spelled out for them.

Guess I was wrong.

 

Those 3 years of Malone and Stockton were in their decline years.

Sheed's Blazers were always a step away from a meltdown. I remember they had the Lakers on the ropes in game 7 and threw it away. Rasheed in particular is soft as tissue paper.

I say the Knicks of the early 90s beat the Kings of 00-02. Divac on Ewing? Ewing wasn't the best but surely he was better than Divac. Webber was a jump shooter who could pass. The Knicks defense was very good. They were a 60 win team at least one of those years.

 

I wonder who forced the pressure on them to make it a meltdown in game 7? who was the leading scorer of the Lakers of that game? (Kobe) who led that comeback? (Kobe). Sheed was a terrific player he was a leading scorer of that game, just isn't a closer

LOL now you're just being ridiculous about Webber...he was much more than a Jumpshooter and a passer.

The Knicks had a 60 win season...The Blazers had 59 win season in the 3 peat years. Not bad getting 1 less win in a much tougher conference than the Knicks were back then when they got their 60

 

Were the 94 Rockets a championship caliber team? That Knicks team took us to 7 games.

And if the 90's style of physical play were allowed, I could see them beating the Spurs and sweeping the Kings.

 

maybe that shows the Rockets weren't that impressive of a championship team (but still a championship team) that year then to get taken to the limit by a pretend championship team

 

The corollary is that the Knicks were on par with the rest of the league's elite teams and Jordan's Bulls were just on another level.

And since Jordan's Bulls did go on later to have the best regular season ever, this idea is more credible than yours.

That being said, I do think that the Rockets had enough mismatches in their favor that they could've beaten the Bulls.

 

The Lakers needed the Blazers to choke. They were done. What kind of championship team depends on the other team to make mistakes?

 

Wrong, they swept Shaq (Kobe's leader) the next year.

 

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You're on a Rockets board claiming the Rockets weren't that impressive of a championship team.

Kindly gtfo.

 

Jordan never lost a Championship Series.

 

Shaq left Kobe and immediately won another ring in Miami.

Kobe, meanwhile, sucked for several years until he got Gasol.

So, yes, those Lakers teams could have won without Kobe.

 

Or could it be that Gasol wanted to be traded? Or that the Grizzlies were losing money and management wanted to dump salary? Or West's ties to the Lakers?

Keep in mind that the Bulls offered Noah, Tyrus Thomas, Nocioni, Sefolosha, and draft picks.

The Lakers offered Brown (expiring contract), Crittendon, 2 future 1st round draft picks, and the rights to Marc Gasol.

Since the Grizzlies took the Lakers' offer, the most logical reason was that Memphis wanted to dump salary and it was irrelevant whether or not Gasol was a franchise player.

 

hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

To begin with, Hollinger observed that frankly, Kobe was not a very clutch player up until this regular season. Therefore, Shaq didn't benefit. This can be evidenced by the fact that how many Kobe clutch playoff shots can you remember? Everyone remembers Horry's shot against the Kings and 0.4. The ONLY major play that Kobe had in the clutch that is well-remembered is the alley-oop to Shaq against Portland - which given that Shaq was the one who made the dunk, shows who was the greater of the two. Heck, in the last Finals, what is probably the most well-remembered shot? Fisher's threes in Game 4. Not Kobe. Not to say Kobe is worse than Fisher, but your claim of him being playoff clutch holds utterly no water.

If Kobe is as clutch as you claim, name off the top of your head a spectacular playoff performance which we all remember. Lebron for starters has the ridiculous performance against Detroit in 2007 as well as the shot against Orlando, not to mention the insane stats he put up in the 2009 playoffs. I'm not saying Lebron has done more in his career than Kobe, but what amazing clutch PLAYOFF situation has Kobe accomplished?

No one picked Cleveland because Cleveland's supporting cast was any good, and of those who picked LA, most of the intelligent people didn't pick them because they thought he was the best player or some junk. We picked Cleveland because they had the best current player. By far. Remember simply that the only debate for MVP this year was whether Lebron would get the unanimous vote or not.

For ****'s sake. Are you too ****ing dedicated to licking Kobe that you can't distinguish the difference between "big man" and "power forward"?
And because he didn't win a playoff series three years ago as the main man , he is incapable of being the best big man in the league. Therefore, if we get our hands on Bosh and win the title, Bosh wouldn't be the best big man in the league either. And since Kobe couldn't win a playoff series three years ago as the main man, he is also incapable of being the best player in the league. Jesus, you're reaching JCDenton levels now.

 

Shaq joined Wade and of course he's in a contender.
Give Kobe Gasol 3 years earlier and we have a comparison.

Shaq joined Lakers in 96, had 3 other all perimeter all stars on his side at one point, and how did he do?

If anything, since Kobe came along in 2000, he's more consistent than Shaq. With support, he went deep in playoff every year.

 

kobe stans reaching new levels of lowness.

bashing their most important players and even downgrading the team as a whole in an attempt to prop up kobe, making up hypothetical situations to counter actual real-life situations, ignoring facts and stats to cherry pick arguments.

cf really should ban these trolls. this isn't even intelligent basketball talk anymore, but just straight-up trolling.

if cf allows this bs this site is going to turn into ughhh spurstalk.

 

Bird, Magic, Kareem have lost Finals Championships series as well that doesn't keep them out of the GOAT arguments