If Kobe gets his ring this year, how is he not the GREATEST?

The prime Duncan took a roster that did not have another player anywhere near all-star caliber to a championship in 2003. This team had David Robinson averaging 8 points per game. They had a young Tony Parker playing so well that the team desperately tried to bring in Jason Kidd that offseason to replace him. They had a rookie Manu Ginobili averaging 8 points per game. They had a bunch of over the hill/scrub players. In fact, I would say that team wasn't much more talented than Kobe's 2006 and 2007 Lakers.

 

the truth hurts

 

You conveniently omit Stephen Jackson, who was good enough to lead a team to beat a top seed in his later career. By comparison, Gasol couldn't win a playoff game on his own.

 

Nah he's not the greatest. Kobe couldn't do jack once shaq left and before gasol came. Without shaq or gasol, kobe couldn't lead his team anywhere.

 

YOU conveniently omitted Lamar Odom, you worm.

 

You sound like Odom is an all star or anything close to that. In reality, he's not even as consistent as Jamison at this age.

 

That was a young Stephen Jackson. He was in his third year and he barely averaged double digits. Stephen Jackson has never been as good as Pau Gasol, and he certainly wasn't as good as Lamar Odom at that point in his career.

 

Kobe himself doesn't think he's close to being the greatest... he's still in argument for the best Laker with Kareem and Magic and probably even West.

 

Once all the old media people die or retire, Kobe will be hailed as GOAT

 

I actually thought you came with a bit of sense. I thought you actually tried.

You raise up 2nd/3rd year Stephen Jackson's contributions to the Spurs because of what he laterbecame in his peak. You bring down Odom as you see fit. Though how come the Lakers haven't gotten rid of him and signed him BACK as he's longest tenured Laker outside of Kobe and Fisher?

Explain how Stephen Jackson's 11.8 pts 2.3 assists with the Spurs is better than Odom's 15 pts, 9 rbs and 4 assists with the Lakers?

You're just a worm, simple as that.

 

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Kobe fans - where Stephen Jackson is a better player than Pau Gasol happens. Seriously, this is a new level of stupidity.

 

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He'll say "Shaq/Duncan" and talk about their declining forms. He'll say __ team had __ player in his 2nd year but insert in their PEAK form. So since you dont mention the version of the player, can't you use Andrew Bynum?

Duncan had 3rd year Stephen Jackson, he had HELP
Kobe had 2nd year Andrew Bynum, he DIDNT have help?

Cherry picking at its finest.

 

Why wouldn't they? Both players impact the game more than Kobe on the defensive end, and Shaq could give you 30 a night on a better %. It's also interesting that you are comparing Kobe to both of these guys once they passed their primes, since they are older. It's also interesting that you say Duncan got no where recently with Manu and Parker, when Manu has been injured in the past 2 postseasons and Parker was hurt this one.

Oh, Kobe also had a star studded team in 04 and shot his team out of the Finals.

 

That was Jacksons first good season, and you conveniently omit all the years in Indiana where he improved to the player he was in Golden State. And you say he led his team to a win over a top seed, is his name suddenly Baron Davis?

 

Totally irrelevant, goodbug.

1. Shaq once had 4 all stars in the team and got swept by the Jazz. The Lakers once had 4 future HOFs and got beat in 5 games by an arguably inferior Pistons team in 04. You also see something between Shaq's statistics and Kobe's, which player's numbers was down the most in that series.

2. Do you realize how good Shaquille O'Neal or Tim Duncan were in their prime?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/1993.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2006.html


Do you also realize what impact a center or power forward brings to both sides of the floor, also including rebounding and defensive schemes? Do you see how much Orlando improve defensively from 92 to 93, only adding Shaq, I doubt Nick Anderson and Co. became great defenders over one summer.

I'd say both players in their prime could manage more wins than Kobe did with that squad.

If prime Shaq played against 05-07 competition in the league, he could easily average 31-34 ppg with enough shot opportunities. Again who would be able to guard him in the modern NBA?

 

MJ never lost in NBA finals

 

Nor did Tim Duncan. You might can add Bill Russell to the group, since he was injured in Game 3 of the 1958 NBA Finals and out with a foot injury for the rest of the series.

 

There is a big difference between having a dominant wing defender and a dominant big man who could do it all. Plus Jordan played in the strongest era of big men the NBA ever had and won 6 rings with Longley at the helm. LOL. Actually your thread/suggestion is idiotic.