only way she could IMO is if she is going against Hillary Woman v Woman is about the only way I can see a woman getting into the White House she maybe a yes woman but I dunno if they [Joe Racist American] are so secure she will 'stay in line' once she is the boss. Rocket River
both would still have to face men to get through the primaries. i think it would be a HUGE accomplishment for Condi to get the nomination. if she got that far, i could definitely see her winning. i agree that there are racist Americans out there who would not vote for a person merely because of her skin color. i'm not sure they're as prevalent as you might think...but i don't know that for sure.
the reasons why C.Rice would never win have nothing to do with her race or sex - but her inability to tell the truth and her complete failure as National Security Advisor pre-9/11 - I mean how many times does your Terrorism Czar have to ask you to hold a principles meeting about OBL before you listen?
The first black president, or female president, will have to not just compete with white men, they'll have to blow them out of the water. That's unfortunate, but true. Condi has too many faults to pass that high hurdle. She's not a great candidate. Jackie Robinson was able to be the first black player in the major leagues because he was such an exemplary player on the field, and had the patience and character to survive the battles he endured on a daily basis. I thought Colin Powell could have been president a few years ago, if he'd chosen to run.
yeah...because we know all those who win the presidency are truth-tellers both before and after they're elected. come on, Chump....it's politics. p.s. i don't think MOST people perceive her as a failure as NSA.
of course your right, it is all politics, I just hope that the first black or woman president is a much better person than Mrs Rice
I have recently heard Jeb Bush's name mentioned as a possible candidate. This would help the democrats since George W is such a divisive topic.
i consider myself to have a pretty permanent interest in politics. However, I must admit to not having the stamina to speculate about 2008. McCain is better than Bush but that is not saying much.
Most people don't spend as much time keeping up with news, and current affairs, as some of the people on this board. In my opinion. And I'm not talking about you. So, if Rice fails as NSA, lies before Congress and the American people, shows no obvious talents as much more than an academic who latched on to G.W. Bush, an academic who's specialty was the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe, and the Cold War, has no apparent political skills in regards to the American voting public, but is dearly loved by the current President... So what? It's all politics. She should run for President. Sorry, Max. You just might get the idea that I don't like Ms. Rice. Keep D&D Civil!!
Rice wouldn't make it out of Iowa. That's if she got that far. McCain, IMO, won't run. He will be 72. He has fought health issues. If he did, he'd have a better than fair chance to get out of the primaries and would possibly run away with the general election. Hillary is the best chance the democrats have in 08. She is the only one that could take down McCain, IMO. Edwards problem in 04 was experience. He's now out of work after only 1 term as senator. Gore won't run. Biden might give it a go but he won't make it past New Hampshire and might not want to give up his power in the senate, especially if the dems could pick up a couple of seats. Kerry won't run. Hillary can neutralize the "security moms." Sounds as if Newt is going to give it a go. He won't stand up next to McCain. Not too sure who else on the right will run.
How about a McCain/Rice ticket, paving the way for Condi to run as the veep in 2012, when McCain chooses not to run again for health reasons? I would love for the Republican party to have the first black and first woman president.
Pretty good assessment, leroy. You should post here more. Some of the other R's running or thinking seriously about it: Frist, Romney, Giuliani, Pataki, Santorum. Of those, Frist is the most serious. Romney's a Mormon. That's still a tricky sell. Giuliani's got family values trouble and he's left of the leftiest contender. Pataki's a bland cypher. His numbers are low in NY and he probably won't withstand another challenge for governor. He's neither well known nor well liked outside NY. Satorum's a nutjob, almost a white Keyes, and he's in serious trouble trying to keep his seat in 06. If Bob Casey Jr. gets in, Rick's probably done. If he wants to make a noise, he'd be well served to drop his re-election bid and start running next year. There's no way he'd win, but he could make himself a hero to the radical religious right. StupidMoniker: I seriously, seriously doubt McCain would put Rice on his ticket. He's been very critical of the adminstration's handling of the war and a great lot of that goes directly to Rice as NSA. They don't see eye to eye at all.
p.s. to Leroy and the others that think McCain won't run: FWIW, I spoke with McCain's daughter a few months back and she said she thought he was definitely running. Her exact quote was, "He'd better be. I'm not hanging out with the Bush twins for nothing."
Since there's been some jonesin' for Hillary by some around here, (lol!) I thought I'd post this column, sort of a followup to Batman's posts on page one, from the Times. February 22, 2005 Clinton's Popularity Up in State, Even Among Republicans By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ Remember Hillary Rodham Clinton and the conventional wisdom about how polarizing a figure she is? Well, think again. Recent polls have shown that Mrs. Clinton, the junior senator from New York, may have turned a corner politically, sharply reducing the number of voters in the state who harbor negative views of her. Pollsters say the change is remarkable for a woman who has long been shadowed by a seemingly implacable group of voters - commonly referred to as Hillary haters - who dislike her, no matter what she does, and who pose a potential obstacle to any presidential ambitions she may harbor. A measure of how far Senator Clinton has come was on display Sunday when Senator John McCain, Republican from Arizona, said on "Meet the Press" that he thought Mrs. Clinton, a Democrat, would make a good president, although he said that he would support his party's nominee. She returned the compliment, saying when asked by the program's host, Tim Russert, that Senator McCain would be a good president. The changing view of Mrs. Clinton coincides with a period following the November election in which she offered a series of speeches filled with references to faith and prayer, while putting less emphasis on polarizing social issues like gay marriage and abortion. The result of these comments has been an emerging image of Senator Clinton that is far different from the caricature that Republicans have painted of her: that of a secular liberal whose stances are largely at odds with a public that they say is concerned about the nation's moral direction. Political analysts say the themes Senator Clinton has emphasized - combined with the hard-working image she has sought to project - appear to be causing large numbers of voters to re-evaluate her in New York, although not nationally, where the number of people who disapprove of her is still high. In a Marist poll last fall, roughly 4 in 10 Americans had negative views of her. Her progress appealing to once skeptical New Yorkers was illuminated by a New York Times poll released last week that showed that 21 percent of New Yorkers had an unfavorable opinion of how she is handling her job, down significantly from the 29 percent of voters who expressed similar sentiments in October 2002. (In two recent back-to-back surveys, pollsters for Quinnipiac University, in Hamden, Conn., also found a notable decline in the number of New York voters who expressed a negative view of Mrs. Clinton.) At the same time, Senator Clinton's job approval rating has increased to 69 percent from 58 percent in October 2002, according to the Times poll. That is higher even than the 63 percent approval rating of Charles E. Schumer, the senior senator from New York who was re-elected last year to a second term with a record 71 percent of the vote and who is known for his attention to upstate concerns. The new attitudes toward Mrs. Clinton may be forcing Republicans to reconsider how to deal with an opponent they had until now viewed as an enticing target because of the depth of negative feelings she inspires among large numbers of New York voters. Independent political analysts say her strong standing may give pause to any big-name Republican thinking about challenging her in 2006, chief among them Rudolph W. Giuliani and Gov. George E. Pataki. In fact, a Quinnipiac poll released earlier this month found that Mrs. Clinton would defeat both Mr. Pataki and Mr. Giuliani in head-to-head contests. "There isn't a long line of opponents forming to take her on in 2006," said Lee M. Miringoff, the director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in Poughkeepsie, N.Y. But New York Republican leaders say that they are eager to challenge Senator Clinton, especially since Republicans from around the country will almost certainly provide plenty of money and other campaign support to defeat her, as they did in 2000. New York Republicans also say that the senator has had a free ride so far and that her opponent in the campaign will have an easy time driving up her negative ratings - and halting her rise in the polls - by pointing out what they describe as her poor record of accomplishment and her liberal ideology. "Clinton has been operating in a vacuum and there's been nobody taking her on," said the New York State Republican Party chairman, Stephen Minarik. "Frankly, her numbers don't intimidate me whatsoever. I'm looking forward to this challenge." Mrs. Clinton's advisers say they are taking nothing for granted. "We know that Republicans are preparing to wage a well-funded and negative campaign," said Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton. "Senator Clinton's continued hard work and strong record will serve as the best antidote to their groundless attacks." Mrs. Clinton's current standing is a far cry from her situation in 2000, when her Republican opponent, Representative Rick A. Lazio, sought to build much of his campaign around the large number of New Yorkers who had a negative opinion of her, then about one in three. The senator's closest advisers say her popularity stems from her success at swaying voters to her side with frequent trips around the state and attention to local concerns. But other political analysts argue that the lift Mrs. Clinton is enjoying reflects a growing comfort with her among New Yorkers who may not have entirely believed her when she pledged in 2000 to serve out a full term and not seek a higher office. During the race in 2000, Republicans constantly attacked Mrs. Clinton as a carpetbagger who was seeking to use the Senate seat in New York as springboard to the presidency, perhaps as early as 2004. But in the end, Mrs. Clinton kept a low profile during the last presidential election, even as many Democrats argued that she could have won her party's nomination handily. "The No. 1 concern many people had about her - that she would run for president before finishing her term - has not happened," observed one Democrat, speaking on condition of anonymity. "She kept her word and the worst suspicions about her have turned out not to be true." As for the inevitable questions about Mrs. Clinton's future presidential ambitions, that does not seem to trouble New York voters nearly as much as it did in 2000. The recent Times poll showed that of the voters who do expect Senator Clinton to run for president in 2008, 67 percent said it would make no difference in whether or not they would vote for her for Senate in 2006, and 18 percent said it would make them more likely to vote for her. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/22/nyregion/22hillary.html? I can't imagine Hillary being the nominee in 2008, but I couldn't see a failed, lying chump from New England... uh, well, he says he's from Texas, being elected to a second term. I guess with that proof that stranger things have indeed occurred, Mrs. Clinton being the Democratic candidate in '08 doesn't look as farfetched as it once did. This country is tottering on the edge of the toilet bowl, slip-slidin' away. Keep D&D Civil!!
Rice could win. I agree with all those who say she hasn't been successful, she has lied, and continues to lie. But she could win. One thing that might stop her is that under Bush she has been able to evade any real public examination of her job as NSA. Bush has been a master at not asking questions, and not holding people accountable for mistakes, so the mistakes slip by a lot of folks. For anyone who follows current events, it would seem impossible that someone with Rice's record of lying, and poor judgement would be able to win a presidency, but it might not come down to that. If Rice's GOP team can demonize the other candidate with baseless charges the way they did Kerry it won't matter. As far as Hilary goes, she will lose. She has been making her moderate stance more prominant, but the GOP attack dogs will tear that up being wishy washy and shifting solely for political reasons, and she will look like another one who doesn't really take a stand. There are rational reasons why some may dislike Hilary as a candidate, and those she might be able to over come or change people's mind about. But there are too many out there that have an irrational demonized idea of what Hilary is, and it is tough to combat those opinions. They are held by many in the media as well as many in the red states. So it is doubtful that they will go away easily. Combine that with the attack style the GOP has used lately and Hilary is a walking target.
First off I'm not pimping Hillary. Of the names out there now, I'd prefer Feingold actually. Just trying to put the lie to the idea Hillary can't win. Here's some Clinton v. Rice data: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Election 2008--Kerry, Clinton, Rice.htm Hillary Leads Condi in 2008 Match-Up Condi Leads Kerry Survey of 1,000 Adults January 29-30, 2005_ Election 2008 Hillary Clinton 47% Condoleezza Rice 40% RasmussenReports.com Election 2008 John Kerry 43% Condoleezza Rice 45% RasmussenReports.com February 12, 2005--In a very early look at the 2008 Presidential Election, Senator Hillary Clinton leads Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice 47% to 40%. At the same time, Secretary Rice leads Senator John Kerry 45% to 43%. The survey was conducted January 29-30, before Dr. Rice's first international tour as Secretary of State. Since the survey was taken, Americans have grown more optimistic about the situation in Iraq. Fifty-one percent (51%) of voters believe that Senator Clinton is politically liberal while 27% say she is a moderate. For Senator Kerry, 46% said liberal and 31% moderate. Secretary of State Rice is viewed as conservative by 43% and moderate by 28%. Among married Americans, Rice has a very slight lead over Clinton. However, the New York Senator leads 55% to 32% among those who are not married. Rice leads among Investors, 50% to 40% while Clinton leads among non-Investors 53% to 30%. In a match-up with Senator Kerry, Rice does better among men than among women.
And more: http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm Hearst Newspapers/Siena College poll. Feb. 10-17, 2005. N=1,125 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 2.9. I'm going to read you a list of names of some women who are active in public affairs nationally. For each name, could you please tell me if you think this person should run for president, should not run for president, if you have no opinion on that, or, finally, if you don't know who the person is. . . ." _ Hillary Rodham Clinton Should run: 53 Should not run: 37 No opinion: 8 Don't know person: 1 Condoleezza Rice Should run: 42 Should not run: 41 No opinion: 10 Don't know person: 7 Elizabeth Dole Should run: 33 Should not run: 48 No opinion: 12 Don't know person: 7 Barbara Boxer Should run: 13 Should not run: 39 No opinion: 11 Don't know person: 38
Batman, i applaud the subtle conversion you've undergone in the past few months. prior to november, you wouldn't have been caught dead pimping rasmussen, but now, the forward strategy of freedom has claimed yet another convert! first, mubarak, now batman, the dominos continue to fall. is the fisher king next? on another note, i recall from one of your "i spoke to mccain's daughter" posts that your girlfriend (?) is a producer for SNL? do i have that right? turns out good friends of ours also have a sister who is a producer there...
