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If I'm Bob McNair

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. rhino17

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    My draft would be

    Round 1: Right Tackle
    Round 2: Best available WR/TE
    Round 3: Outside Linebacker
    Round 4: Safety
    Round 5: Inside Linebacker
    Round 6: Defensive Tackle
    Round 7: Any Linebacker
     
  2. Mr. Clutch

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    I wonder if the Texans will stand pay at RT and just count on Derek Netwon and Brandon Brooks improving.
     
  3. javal_lon

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    Is Donny the new DD??.... I havent been here for about a year, but I see people "piling" on him.... Wish I could see what changed over the last year..... Because the Donny I remember had lil flunkies agreeing with everything he said... Damn Times have changed....
     
  4. VesceySux

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    I'd prefer a new QB and HC, but it ain't gonna happen.

    To do list:
    - Fire Marciano
    - Load up on OL and DL in the draft
    - Cut Walter and Keo (among others)
    - Let Barwin and Graham walk
    - Address WR in FA
    - Get Foster a better pair of cleats and a freezer full of Omaha Steaks
    - Sign a real fullback
    - Let Manning return kicks full time
    - Do something about the turf at Reliant
    - Buy Kubiak a shock collar and use it when he calls a draw play on 3rd and long situations
     
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  5. rezdawg

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    Am I the only one that thought Schaub played decent against the Patriots?

    I saw about 10 major issues ahead of QB.

    Would it be nice to upgrade at QB? Sure.

    But, I prefer upgrades at HC, RG, RT, WR2, NT, ILB, FS, CB, OLB, FB etc...
     
  6. ipaman

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    did you like the part where he forced a fumble and sacked himself???

    or how about the nice touch pass to ninkovich, did you like that one??

    you can't recognize it because you are used to it but you are settling for mediocrity because your brain has been rewired to show you decent. the brain is trying to protect you. it's a side effect of watching poor/un-clutch QB play over an extended period of time.
     
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  7. rezdawg

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    Did you like Matt Ryan's 2 interceptions? Did you like Kaepernicks pick 6? How about Aaron Rodgers against the Niners?

    Schaub had 51 pass attemtps and there were maybe 6 plays where I shook my head. If you are expecting a perfect QB...good luck, because that has never existed in the history of the NFL.
     
  8. rolyat93

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    Quit trying to be Ronny.
     
  9. Coach AI

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    I'd be surprised if you found many people that agreed with that.

    Off the top of my head a few plays I that stood out to me

    -Missed AJ in the end zone on 3rd down in the first quarter
    -Rushed several passes, including a 3rd down to Foster on their second possesion of the 1st Qtr. (Simms I think commented on that particular one)
    -Stepped up out of pressure but panicked and rolled out to his right, where one of the Patriots DLinemen broke free and chases him down. It was like 3rd and five and he ended up just throwing the ball away when he had targets open
    -Interception on 3rd down
    -Sacked himself by fumbling the ball off of his own knee

    just drive killing stuff

    He had a few nice throws, a nice pass to AJ after the self-sack and the drop by Casey was not his fault


    He's not the 'only reason' they lost, but he was definitely not having a good or decent game.
     
  10. rezdawg

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    Exactly...you named the plays that he sucked in...and there were maybe a couple more. That pass to AJ would have never happened if Casey didnt drop a perfectly thrown ball on the previous play. When you drop back to pass 51 times...only coming up with a handful of crappy plays is actually an argument as to why he played a good game, not the other way around.

    Did Schaub play a perfect game? No. But, in no way did he play poorly. If anything, he was one of the few bright spots of the team.

    If Schaub was playing against the Texans defense, he'd have the same numbers as Brady. In fact, Brady missed a decent number of passes as well...a few terrible throws.
     
  11. BMoney

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    If you think about it, the Texans had their best chance last year from a talent stand put. Subtracting Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans, Eric Winston and Mike Breisel is not easy.

    The biggest problem they encountered was trying to remake the right side of the line on the fly. When the Texans caught the injury bug to both veteran replacements (Caldwell and Butler) and were forced to rotate two rookies (Brooks and Jones) at RG and seventh rounder in Newton and Ryan Harris, a street free agent, at RT, it was asking a lot for the OL to be successful. With their salary cap issues, it was not unreasonable to think that a third round pick like Caldwell and an effective vet like Butler could step in. Their injuries and poor performance before that put the team in a bind.

    Here's what I would do:

    -Nearly half the teams in the league will be looking for another QB. The Texans are better off riding out Schaub at least through next year and look to shore up the offensive talent around him.

    -It's time to invest in the offensive line with a first, or second round pick. Same with a wideout, or tight end. The defense has got most of the best resources for a while now and talent needs to be replenished. James Jones was reportedly available for a mid round draft pick. We need somebody like him as a free agent addition and the front office needs to be aggressive in this regard.

    -I would say that there also needs to be some scheme adjustments on offense. The league has been able to take the play action deep plays away because the Texans don't have enough credible deep theats and the OL was too shaky. Also, Schaub and Kubiak seemed to go into a shell after the Denver game. The team still needs to mix in more big plays. I would also like the offensive to start using the slot receiver position more. New England uses the short passing game to control the clock much like Kubiak would desire. Keyshawn Martin was a non-factor for most of the year, but he could be a weapon moving forward.

    -On the defensive side, it's time the team got players and schemes that could mix in zone coverages. Obviously, a badass pass rush is the best antidote to anything, but Wade's system and the players back there seems a bit limited.

    -I would not break the bank on an inside LB, but I would shore up the depth and hope Cushing can return at his former level. No more Brady James. I would work more to shore up the defensive line since Smith is getting older and has a big cap number and we still have some issues at DT. Since Smith plays the run so poorly, he might be a cap casualty if he won't restructure his deal.

    -Barwin should not be paid the final Texans contract extension offer he passed on before the season. Find a contract that balances his 2011 and 2012 performances and don't go any higher. You can't be paid like a playmaker if you don't make any plays.

    -The growth of Kareem Jackson was encouraging this year. I would like to see Brandon Harris take the next step, but the team can't count on him. Will Stanford Routt ever get some meaningful playing time? Quin was adequate, but like Barwin, I would set a price for him and not extend much further. The safety play could definitely be better.

    -Our special teams needs a complete overhaul.

    -The last thing I would do as owner would be to pay the city back the cost for the retractable dome since it is never opened.
     
  12. ipaman

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    this is the nfl where QBs get all the glory when they win and all the blame when they lose. why should schaub be exempt???

    we lost, partly because of him. he is the qb and leader of the team so he's getting blamed. seems simple to me.
     
  13. rezdawg

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    He isnt exempt...but when you give up 41 points...I'd be hard pressed to find a QB that can win with little help from a running game.

    Drew Brees proved to us this season that he cant keep up with his crappy defense. And this is one of the best QBs in the game.

    Rodgers showed yesterday that he couldnt keep up with his defense giving up so many points.

    I dont expect any quarterback to overcome his defense giving up 40+ points. Its just unreasonable to expect that.

    Schaub isnt an elite QB and never will be...but, you have to at least have some decent pieces in place to give him, or any other QB, a chance to win. Our defense was absolutely embarrassing and atrocious against the Pats. I cant be convinced that we would have won with Rodgers taking snaps...mostly because Rodgers proved that he's not capable to do so against the Niners.
     
  14. Coach AI

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    That's just off the top of my head. I wouldn't doubt anyone going through the game tape would probably be able to put together a more comprehensive list.

    but...*shrug* If that's what you choose to believe, that's up to you. I think you'll wake up in the morning and find yourself in a very small minority. IMO your reasoning really doesn't hold up, as throwing 51 times isn't really meaningful in any way.

    Almost everything I listed ended a drive and happened through the first 3 quarters and at that point the game was 31-13. Like I said...drive (and game) killing stuff.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    Has the Broncos QB gone like 2td-6ints during the most crucial part of the season?
     
  16. rezdawg

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    Ive watched the game twice. Those plays you mentioned stand out because those are basically the only ones that were poor plays. There are many other reasons why we lost.

    We did not lose the game because of Schaub. And given the play calling, there was very little else that he could do. Is it possible that Kubiak doesnt call certain plays bc he's worried that Schaub cant handle it? Sure. However, Schaub can only go with the plays and routes that are called.

    Other than a handful of times, there is very little Schaub could have done to make the offense click better. Despite Foster's 90 yards rushing...he had a terrible game running the ball. In other words, Schaub had very little help...and yes, the 51 pass attempts is significant because when you throw that many times, any QB in the history of the NFL is bound to have a handful of poorly run plays. If Schaub threw back to pass 15 times and had 8 bad plays, that's not good...but when you add 35 pass attempts to that number and keep the bad plays at 8, that's not bad.

    Its not an exceptional performance, but name 5 Texans that definitely played better than him today? When you have 22 starters, and its hard to come up with 5 guys that played great games, then maybe we should be looking to address areas where we completely stunk up the joint...
     
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    I'd be happy to go back and analyze, in greater detail, the plays where Schaub performed well, avg, or poorly.

    However, Im pretty certain that his plays where he performed well or decent in far outnumber his poor plays. Poor plays just stand out far more than the good plays and that seems to take everything out of focus for most of those watching the game.
     
  18. Coach AI

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    I don't think it's too often that a team loses the game 'because of' any one person. But that doesn't mean that Schaub had a good game. There is no mutual exclusivity here. The secondary could have a bad game, for example, and yet so can Schaub.

    If you're going to point at other areas to deflect criticism from Schaub, that works both ways. It's a team game. You are talking about the defense letting down the offense. But, in the first half, the Texans forced the Patriots into 3 and out on their first two possessions. The Texans had three possessions in that time, including Manning's 94 yard return, and could still only muster a FG.

    Then the Patriots finally score. The next Texans possession? Punt. Defense holds Patriots to a FG. Next Texans possession? Punt.

    That's the offense letting down the defense.

    So it works both ways. And the defense definitely struggled badly as the game went on. That still doesn't mean Schaub had a good game.




    And no, the number of throws isn't really meaningful, particularly when a team is down and has to throw a lot to get back into it. Trying to assign some arbitrary number of plays as a 'bad game' is not reasonable. If Schaub ended, let's say, half of all the Texans possessions with an interception that still would only be 7 'bad plays'.

    Hey, 7 bad plays out of 51 is pretty good, right? That's basically what you are doing going by that metric. Sometimes it's about more than a number.

    How many times he threw isn't really relevant in this instance.
     
  19. josephnicks

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    i keep hearing people say schaub played great??? i dont get it.. the only time the texans were really in the ballgame, the score was 17-13, and matt shcaub did not have a single fingerprint on the texans 13 points. if schaub was able to do anything the texans would have taken a lead at some point. he converted on some plays that led to nothing. the defense got them th eball back a few times and schaub did nothing. when the game was still close schaub was fumbling and sacking himself. sure when the pats took a giant lead than schaub founf his comfort zone. meaningless yards that dont matter because the game was out of reach..
     
  20. got em COACH

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    We need black receivers who can be a play maker
     

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