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If I Slipped Jon Gruden Some Truth Serum ...

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by ghettocheeze, Dec 14, 2010.

  1. ghettocheeze

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    LMAO brilliant analysis of the Texans season, everything that went wrong, and what needs to be done to fix it. I wish Gruden would say the exact word to McNair, in his face, and with that creepy Chucky look and stiff voice. Excellent piece by Michael Silver of Yahoo Sports.
     
  2. Hey Now!

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    I don't get the appeal of Gruden. Posted 4- and 5-win seasons (after TB's Super Bowl), plus two 8-win seasons and 2 more 9-win seasons. If six of your 11 seasons - nearly half - are no better than our current guy.... I mean, I know he's won a ring, I know he's posted some big seasons - I'm not saying Kubiak is a better option but I don't see him as a sure thing, slam dunk.
     
  3. LongTimeFan

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    Is there such a thing as that?
     
  4. rhino17

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    Gruden would be my first choice, I love the guy
     
  5. Major Malcontent

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    I just don't understand the minority "Keep Kubiak, it could get worse!" sentiment.

    I agree that making a bad choice at this juncture would be terrible for the franchise, and Kubiak isn't wholly responsible for a lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

    The team has poor clock management, failure to play with any kind of intensity until down at least two touchdowns, those things are directly the job of the head coach.

    Sometimes his play calling baffles me, when he abandons what is working in the name of balance (if your running back is popping off 5 a carry why do anything else except when he needs a rest)...but overall as a Head Coach, I think he is an excellent Offensive Coordinator.
     
  6. SWTsig

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    at first i thought you were just being a contrarian through all this, but it's painfully obvious that you're a semi-kubiak apologist or at the least, a supporter of the status quo.

    unacceptable.
     
  7. boomboom

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    Would love to see Gruden as coach. I think he would hold every person in the organization accountable...which seems to be only half the case right now.

    I'd also be perfectly ok with Cowher...or even give Jimmy Johnson a shot.


    SWTsig...you are correct. Status quo is unacceptable.
     
  8. MadMax

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    you're looking for sure thing, slam dunk results out of a football coach? good luck. doesn't exist.
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    well then we might as well keep kubiak!!! if we're looking for slam dunks, it's a slam dunk that we'll be 5-7 next year.
     
  10. MadMax

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    that's as close to a slam dunk as you can get.
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    could you imagine if we were 4-9 right now instead of 5-8? oh. em. gee.
     
  12. TheChosenOne

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    Heh heh heh

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  13. Hey Now!

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    True, true - but them's the stakes now. We're in agreement on this: They cannot screw up another coaching hire. IMO, a SB-winning head coach with an additional long history of winning is about as close to a slam dunk as there is - and that guy's available. Cowher's record is nearly impeachable. Gruden’s, while very good, gives me too much pause. A top-flight coach shouldn’t be mixing in 4- and 5-win seasons, IMO. Four other 8- and 9-win seasons to boot.
     
  14. Hey Now!

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    Then you're not reading enough of my posts. My absolute first priority would be a head coaching upgrade: On that list, for me, is Cowher and Dungy. If they’re not available/interested, my next priority is stripping Kubiak of personnel power, firing Rick Smith, firing the defensive staff and bringing in a non-pipeline GM and defensive coordinator. I’ve been floating Marv Lewis’ name for weeks for DC. If you think that’s in anyway, shape or form “status quo” then we’ll just have to agree to disagree – I think that would represent a fairly significant upheaval.

    My only conceit is that I’m operating under what I assume will be a factor for McNair as he contemplates this decision: The lockout. If there wasn’t the hanging specter of labor unrest, I’d absolutely be in favor of wiping the entire regime out, or, at the very least, Smith, Kubiak and the defensive coaches. I’d then give the new coach the option of keeping the offensive staff – the only “status quo” I’d consider.
     
  15. Rocketman95

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    and a coach shouldn't even be considered for a sixth season when he can't ever get past a 9 win season (one!) or barely sniff the playoffs.

    seriously, quit being a wuss about this. if you're going to start making decisions on coaches or players based on their replacement might not being a slam dunk, then you're destined for failure regardless. because if you keep kubiak and we're in the same exact boat next year that we've been in for the last five...guess what?? there's still no guarantee that the next coaching hire won't be a screwup.
     
  16. Major

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    Another way to look at this is from a business perspective. Pretend for a moment that Kubiak was coach of the Albequerque New Mexicans and had the identical performance he did here. Pretend this team had another coach that we had fired.

    Would Kubiak be anywhere on the list of potential hires for the Texans? Would we be interested in him over another high-flying assistant or a non-slam-dunk coach? If not, then there's no reason to retain him if the primary goal is winning (there are purely financial reasons that are valid).

    Kubiak's 5 years thus far are a sunk cost and should not affect future decision making. The fact that he's already here should not affect whether or not he should be here next year.
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    I don't believe their offense is a sunk cost; it's the primary reason a top-flight guy like Cowher would even remotely be interested in the gig.
     
  18. Hey Now!

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    But none of us are advocating status quo, Groogs. We're suggesting what is a radical upheval, so much so you keep wondering if its even viable.

    If they bring Kubiak and staff back fully intact..... I mean, that's so far from my possibility radar, I'm not sure I've even remotely considered it. If they fire Bush but hand Kubiak the rheins to hire his third DC with zero oversight, that, too, is a fail. Any situation in which Kubiak isn't in some way held accountable is a fail.
     
  19. Major

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    A sunk cost isn't something that has no value. It's something that is locked in and done with - it means it shouldn't be a factor in any future decisions.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    Their offense is not a sunk cost: it has future value and will be heavily considered if they look for a new coach.
     

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