If he asks, Would you support trading Andre Johnson in the offseason?

No, never trade an elite player

 

I don't see why that mattered - the opportunity cost of a player in the expanision draft is basically zero.

 

I said yes. That is if HE asks. I see Andre as a loyal guy though.

 

If Andre Johnson was on the Eagles he'd be the best receiver in the league.

Do I want to see him go? Of course not. If he asks for a trade? I'd understand it.

 

ehhhh.... on a list of mistakes this franchise has made, it's WAY down there.

their inabilty to find ANY talent whatsoever in rounds 2-3 of their first 4 drafts is far and away the team's biggest failing. ever. hell, they had a third rounder not make the team in its expansion year - that's inexcusable and, frankly, a fireable offense.

and that's why i'm not ready to give up on kubiak just yet; i think he's drafted well and built the back-half of the roster, too - which isn't a priority but a need, nonetheless.

having said that... i didn't actually see the implosion - i was on my way from the stadium to our car - was the first fumble a pass play that broke down and rosenfels scrambled? or was it a designed run? either way, use your RBs! and slide, sage - good god!

and why are you calling consecutive pass plays with a 3-point lead and indy holding 1 TO? arrrrrghhhh! that's the kind of crap that drives me up a friggin' wall. where's buddy ryan when you need him??? you should have been punting with less than 2 minutes left, no TOs for indy and a 3-point lead. in-f'wording-excusable.

that's bad coaching.

 

No I wouldn't trade him.

 

And 'yes' for AJ to be traded ...for? 2 1s and a stud? Or???

 

I generally feel the same way, but:

...isn't this like two or three games in a row where we're frustrated with coaching? I've heard "bad clock management" come up on multiple occasions concerning Kubiak.

I'm still a fan of his; I still want to see him succeed. But, is the leash beginning to shorten?

 

Not if they're counting on that player to be the anchor for a young/inexperienced offensive line that needs to protect a young/inexperienced QB.

Say they don't get Boseli... perhaps they address the LINE via the draft (perhaps trade down, get even more picks).

IMO, they thought Boseli would eventually get there... and plugged holes at his position (and the rest of the line) in the interim. Once they realized he wasn't coming back, they failed at every free agent or reclamation project they threw out there.

 

Don't you think their overall "plan" of building the franchise would have changed had Boseli not been available (or if the team shied away from him due to his known injuries).

All along, they were saying they knew that building a football team starts with the lines and then the QB.... once they thought they had Boseli in place, they proceeded on to get the QB (without confirming that lineman would ever be able to play).

 

This team is so close to being a good team.

Look, The Texans played good pretty much that entire game against the colts. Sage just made some mistakes and gave the game away.

 

A. Johnson has been the absolute sickest WR in the league for the last 5 years.

it's just unfortunate what the Texans and Texans QBs have done to his career. he could easily go down as one of the fastest, strongest and most feared WR's in the league IF HE JUST HAD A QB to throw to him.

yes he's had quite a bit of cathes but just think if we would have had some inkling of a running game - how much THAT would have iopened up even more opportunities for A. Johnson.

i feel sorry for him. team him up with a top 5 or top 6 QB and watch him instantly retire with records and HOF written all over him.

do i think Harrison, Owens, Moss, Ocho Cinco, Steve Smith, and all the others are better than Johnson !?!? HELL FACK NO !!!!!

i can hionestly say that the Texans have almost robbed him of numbers and ProBowls because of the garbage team we field week in and week out every single year.

Johnson could easily pass up the legends such as Rice, Carter, and Irving if he only had a good QB. Johnson's talent scares everyone in the entire facking league, but the Texans as a TEAM do not scare anyone.

if we let him go we are losing one of the top 3 greatest WR's this league has ever seen.

 

You're right

That statement is ridiculous and stupid

(yes, he has the talent to potentially be one of the greats. But NO one "could easily pass up the legends such as Rice.." etc.)

 

ok, so what makes you believe he can't !?!?

he's got size, rediculous speed, strength and is pretty durable.

with the exception of last week's game he is basically money when the ball comes his way. over the last 6 years i think his numbers could easily be increased by 25-30% if he had a decent QB/team.

move him to the vikings next year and watch him make 140 catches and lead the league in receiving yards.

Johnson is like Moss and TO put together.

 

no; look what they did independent of boseli: reached for an inexperienced chester pitts in round 2; took an even greener seth wand in round 3; and........ i think weary was the only other day 1 OL they drafted during casserly's tenure, yes? they never did *ANY*thing to properly address the line.

PLUS... if they did shape their draft around boseli being healthy, then they're even bigger idiots that previously thought. he was a risk worth taking in the expansion draft; but should have been viewed as a luxury.

 

there've been a lot of great WRs exceling on bad teams. johnson is what he is: a very good, ocassionally great possession receiver. he doesn't separate well, he doesn't consistently make tough catches, he gets marginalized too easily and he doesn't make a lot of plays after the catch.

he's certainly not in rice, moss, or TO's class. he's more in irvin's class (also a glorified, damn good possession receiver), though not as good.

 

To say he can easily pass a guy like Jerry Rice is pure disrespect to the man and the game. If you can't see it, nothing will help you.

Then again, you said AJ would be good on a team with a QB.. and then suggested that he'd catch 140 balls on the VIKINGS next year. Now I can actually call you stupid...or at least someone who contradicts himself from post to post

 

Johnson has the potential to be a LEGEND in the NFL. Too bad he doesn't have a QB that can take him there. More-so than anyone I think he's been the face of this franchise, so, although I feel really sorry for him, I would not trade him.

Williams, Ryan, and Okoye on the defensive side (heck even Robinson), and Johnson and possibly Slaton on the offensive side is a lot of reason to have hope, we just need to stop losing. .

 

as far as boselli is concerned, isn't it common knowledge now that jville forced their hands to take him if they wanted gary walker and seth payne

 

kinda off topic, I have not seen any quotes from Andre regarding the loss, has anyone seen any? I am seriously wondering how motivated he will be after such a disappointing loss. How many times can you get up for a game after such losses? Did he play in that loss vs the ram's a couple years back?

sorry for the ramble..