1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

If Edwards loses SC to Kerry, he'll endorse him

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Feb 3, 2004.

  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 1999
    Messages:
    15,937
    Likes Received:
    5,488
    We've got Kerry, Dean and Clark threads. Here's one for Edwards on his big day.

    Pretty wild that he'd announce a contingency endorsement the day before the race. Also says that he always considered himself, Kerry and Gephardt to be the serious candidates in the original field.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6892-2004Feb2.html

    For Edwards, It All Comes Down to South Carolina

    By David S. Broder
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, February 3, 2004; Page A01


    GREENVILLE, S.C., Feb. 2 -- For John Edwards, Tuesday is the day of reckoning.

    If the native son of South Carolina loses the presidential primary here to John F. Kerry -- a possibility that his entourage nervously acknowledges is real -- the decision will be simple. Edwards will congratulate Kerry, quickly endorse the Massachusetts senator as the Democratic nominee and head home.

    He will feel no shame, he said in an interview, in losing to a man he regards as an upright politician, worthy of the presidency.

    But if he beats Kerry in South Carolina, Edwards said he looks forward to challenging him for the top spot -- no matter what the odds against his success.

    A victory here would send the North Carolina senator flying late Tuesday night to Memphis to begin a quest for victories on Feb. 10 in the Tennessee and Virginia primaries -- a prelude to a battle he says he can wage right through the remainder of the race.

    In his most explicit comments about his strategy against Kerry, Edwards said that it would not be a personal vendetta. He bestows on Kerry, and on defeated Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.), his ultimate accolade, saying he regards them as the other "solid" contenders in the original field. "I think John Kerry and I have run very serious, disciplined campaigns with very substantial policy foundations," Edwards said. "I think he was in it for the long run, and so was I."

    But if the field narrows after Tuesday, as Edwards expects, he looks forward to drawing an increasingly sharp contrast with Kerry on issues and backgrounds.

    The first of those issues is trade, which Edwards is highlighting in an ad made for the South Carolina, Oklahoma and New Mexico primaries Tuesday. In it, Edwards notes that he opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement in his 1998 Senate campaign -- but does not point out specifically that Kerry voted for the agreement with Mexico and Canada, which many voters in the industrial areas of the South and Midwest blame for the flight of manufacturing jobs.

    In interviews, however, Edwards has started to highlight Kerry's pro-NAFTA vote, and he said he would not hesitate to confront Kerry directly on the issue if they meet again in a debate.

    Edwards acknowledges that Kerry, coming off victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely collect more delegates than anyone else in Tuesday's seven primaries and caucuses. Kerry is also a heavy favorite in Michigan, which votes on Saturday, along with Washington state. But with Tennessee and Virginia to follow, "the geography is good for me," Edwards said.

    The particular problem Edwards faces would be how to bring the high-flying Kerry down to earth without abandoning his own pledge not to "attack" a fellow Democrat. That pledge is an essential part of Edwards's stump speech, and he says it is a commitment he intends to keep.

    "Thirty days ago, when it looked like nothing was working, when I was in single digits everywhere and not competitive, there was enormous pressure on me to change, to be more negative and more attack-oriented," he said. "But I believed I was doing the right thing, and I stayed with what I am."

    The positive approach clicked in Iowa, where Edwards surged to finish second, 6 percentage points behind Kerry. But with less campaign time in New Hampshire, he faded to fourth, trailing Kerry, former Vermont governor Howard Dean and (narrowly) retired Army Gen. Wesley K. Clark.

    That set up South Carolina as a make-or-break test for Edwards, and he has spent more time here this week than any other candidate except Al Sharpton, the New York civil rights activist who has been filling black churches across the state.

    Edwards counts on a network of local supporters, both black and white, that he recruited early -- before most of his rivals had begun organizing in South Carolina. He hopes their work plus his own campaigning will offset the boost Kerry received from his wins up North and the endorsements that followed from Sen. Ernest F. Hollings and Rep. James E. Clyburn, the state's top black elected official and formerly a Gephardt supporter.

    If he loses South Carolina, Edwards would take with him the knowledge that he has impressed his rivals and a significant swath of Democrats to whom he was a stranger when he began this campaign, with his warm personality, his courtroom-honed speaking ability and his hopeful populist message -- qualities many of them would like to see him deploy as the No. 2 man on the ticket.

    But if Tuesday's voting leaves Kerry and Edwards the only candidates with primary wins, as Edwards hopes, he thinks the contrast in their backgrounds and qualifications will quickly become clear. Part of it is the difference between a millworker's son, the first in his family to attend college, and the child of a U.S. diplomat who grew up in embassy circles and graduated from Yale.

    When discussing the effect of plant closings, Edwards says, "It is not an academic issue to me. I understand how devastating that can be for families and whole communities. I've lived through that myself."

    His hunch, he said, is that the populism he preaches, based on that experience, will resonate not just in Tennessee and Virginia but also in such midwestern states as Wisconsin and Illinois that come along later.

    Edwards also claims to be more competitive with Bush nationally than a Massachusetts senator can be. "The South is not George Bush's back yard," he tells audiences. "It is my back yard."

    That argument works on some voters outside the South. Jeanine Nelson, an independent who came to see Edwards in Albuquerque, said, "At first, I thought he sounded like a southern evangelist, but the more I listened, the more I liked him. I think he would be the best contrast to Bush -- and has the best chance to beat him."

    Others who show up at Edwards's rallies acknowledge his talent, but say they want to see him in the No. 2 place on the ticket. In some cases, that works to his advantage. Betsy Metasca of Albuquerque said she was undecided between Kerry and Edwards but figured "it might be good to vote for Edwards here to get him on the ticket."

    But Jim Bacchus, who attended the same event, said he was going to support Clark in the primary, while believing that eventually "it will be a Kerry-Edwards ticket. You can't keep a guy with [Edwards's] talent off the ticket," he said.

    Edwards, of course, dismisses talk of the vice presidency, if only because "I'm running for president." Having decided late last year that he would not run for reelection to the Senate this year in North Carolina, he would seem to have few reasons to reject being the running mate.

    But Edwards has never sold himself short, and he says he is undaunted by the challenge of a face-off with Kerry. It goes back to his courtroom experience as a trial lawyer, he said. In a scene he loves to invite his audiences to visualize, the corporate lawyers representing the insurers and big businesses he is suing are lined up in well-dressed platoons on one side of the courtroom, looking across at him and asking themselves, "What's he doing here?" "And then," Edwards says to a rising crescendo of cheers from every crowd, "I beat 'em. I beat 'em. I beat 'em."

    He seems to think he can do the same thing to Kerry -- but only if South Carolina permits.
     
  2. basso

    basso Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    29,814
    Likes Received:
    6,484
    From ABC's The Note:

    Edwards spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri told ABC News' Edwards campaign reporter Gloria Riviera:

    "(Sen. Edwards) did not say that he would drop out of the race. That is Mr. Broder's analysis of what he thinks will happen. Sen. Edwards said he is in this race to stay. I have no analysis. I cannot explain Mr. Broder's comments. Sen. Edwards is going to win South Carolina, an important test. We will play in Michigan, Virginia and Tennessee."

    so good news perhaps? i certainly hope he stays in, i'd hate for this to all boil down to a race between Kerry and Kucinich after tonight!
     
  3. underoverup

    underoverup Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2003
    Messages:
    3,208
    Likes Received:
    75
    I like Edwards a lot, but I hope that he loses and decides that running with Kerry would be his best choice. This would give Kerry the strong southern voice that he is missing and would really create a dynamic ticket to defeat Bush in November.

    On the issue of early endorsements it is kind of strange that Edwards would make that statement before the primary, but maybe he is already thinking about the VP nod.

    Also what was Gore thinking endorsing Dean so early -- that was a huge mistake I think.
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,744
    Likes Received:
    33,822
    [​IMG]
    "I wanted to put his campaign in a lockbox, but I did not mean to bump that lockbox overboard and have it sink quickly to the very, very bottom of the primary sea."
     
  5. Rockets10

    Rockets10 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2001
    Messages:
    588
    Likes Received:
    1
    I have been an Edwards fan up until now, and I'm a Republican mind you, but his continued opposition to freer trade, and now his explicit condemnation of NAFTA does not sit well with me. I am just one of those few GOPers that isn't pleased with Bush and am willing to vote him out of office to bring about change.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    68,932
    Likes Received:
    46,282
    Edwards Wins South Carolina Primary
    16 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!



    COLUMBIA, S.C. (Reuters) - John Edwards (news - web sites) won the South Carolina primary on Tuesday, U.S. networks said, keeping alive the North Carolina senator's campaign to win the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.


    Four networks said the boyish looking former trial lawyer had beaten front-runner Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) of Massachusetts in the state where large numbers of black voters gave their first verdict on finding a challenger to President Bush (news - web sites).
     
  7. ron413

    ron413 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2002
    Messages:
    3,913
    Likes Received:
    102
    Nice victory for Edwards, the momentum is changing once again.

    Edwards is in it for the long haul, and should give Kerry not just a run for his money but take all his money.
     
  8. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    468
    I disagree about Edwards losing. I think him winning SC makes people sit up and take notice of the strong southern vote he could pull.

    Kerry - Edwards would be a strong ticket.

    You've got the New England Lib vote and a strong contender for the Southern vote.

    This could get interesting
     
  9. JPM0016

    JPM0016 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2003
    Messages:
    4,467
    Likes Received:
    40
    Seems that Hootie & the Blowfish endorsement has gone a long way :D
     
  10. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,925
    Likes Received:
    2,265
    Edwards just said on Foxnews that he would not be the VP on Kerry's ticket. Interesting.
     
  11. Baqui99

    Baqui99 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    11,493
    Likes Received:
    1,230
    Regarding Oklahoma, I have only two words to say: BARRY SWITZER. "The King" gave John Edwards his endorsement, which is pulling him past Wesley Clark. The trailer trash are out in full force voting for Edwards over Clark there.
     
  12. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    468
    we'll see

    Why he would say that?

    oh yeah, more press...

    :cool:
     
  13. Smokey

    Smokey Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 1999
    Messages:
    13,243
    Likes Received:
    594
    If Edwards has presidential aspirations becoming VP may be a step backwards. I would not do it if I was him. He is relatively young and popular Southern Senator. Not many VP's become presidents. Of course, I heard he is leaving the Senate so who knows.
     
  14. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 1999
    Messages:
    15,937
    Likes Received:
    5,488
    Smokey: it was a step down for the first Bush too. He got over it.

    Erskine Bowles is running for Edwards' seat. He's out of the Senate as of next year. It's not a rumor or a possibility. It's done.

    If he doesn't get the nomination, he can either run for VP (if asked) or go back to practicing law. My money's on VP. If he's even asked. It's not like he's going to have a clearer path to the top spot. If Kerry loses, he'll be up against Hillary and Bill Richardson next time just for starters. Maybe Gore too. Think he'd do better against them than against Kerry, Dean, Clark and Lieberman? Me neither.
     
  15. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    48,946
    Likes Received:
    1,365
    It would make no sense for Edwards to say he'd consider VP at this point. That would send a message to his supporters and contributors that he's given up or not very confident in his own campaign.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now