If china attacks Taiwan, what do you think America will do ?

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me too. i am sorry i didn't say it at first. i really doubt that Lil ,FF and you work for Mr.Li DENG HUI ,Mr.CHENG or FBI.

you are so crazy. you just say something and woundn't prove it .you know what, you look like a red guard in culture revelutionary of china.
cc.net fellow could have a lesson about it and needn't pay money for you.

thanks a lot!

 

haha

let me help you

he's full of it and so are you. I didn't say so because I didn't want the two of you babbling incessantly about how no one understands China.

all you know is what you've been spoon fed for years, and that ain't the truth. You guys are shills, and not even good ones. Reading his comments is like watching some bad Hong Kong movie with lines dubbed in English, where the director is some lower level communist party hack.

You guys hurt the cause of China every time you post, because you reveal the same attitude that keeps China a third world country.

 

ÄÕÐß³ÉÅ_ÁË£¿ just take it easy.

i wish every post of mine could have the power as you mean, at least,that would make my america english teacher happy.

all i know is what i 've learned and seen from my teacher,school and society. i wish i could learn something from cc.net fellows or you through internet too, but you don't look like a good teacher as i metioned.

you want know the truth? how long have you been away mainland and taiwan?

i am 31yrs old chinese and i 've lived shenzhen and guangzhou for past twelve yrs. i worked for two taiwan bosses of my last two jobs. my brother-in law worked with a taiwan people in fuoshan city ten yrs ago . and my two cousins have worked at a taiwan shoes factory in dongguan city for last eight years. btw,the hk boss is more welcomed here because you could got more human rights from them.

you know what, there are millions of taiwan people to work and live in mainland today. what does it mean? how many people there are in taiwan? twenty five millions? and how many families there are in taiwan? so how many taiwan families' life could be diffrent without mainland now and future?i don't mean which side is good or bad. i mean this is our real life and it is reality. i have seen a whole one chinese sociaty to form from two sides and four grounds almost at beginning and i belive there will be a one china whatever you call it PRC or CR before i die.

if you want to change the work and life of millions of taiwanese in mailand and their families in taiwan today ,and if you want to mailand leave taiwan along,just tell me why?

btw,could any cc.net fellow tell me what the words mean in chinese? thanks
shill reveal incessantlly babble

my english is poor, especially in writting. and my sleeping have been difficult for weeks. i just need't go to bed tonight.

 

dude your English is a lot better than my Chinese

incessant babbling is what I do sometimes

it means "non stop running off at the mouth" or words to that effect




you seem like a nice enough fellow. don't take my harshness too seriously. I talk in equally gruff tones to fellow Americans who support Bush.

 

Mainland China should leave Taiwan alone because Taiwan enjoys greater individual freedom and more economic opportunity than China and because it has government that is elected by the people.

The only influences a totalitarian Chinese government might have on Taiwan would be negative. However if Taiwan is allowed to prosper it can provide a positive influence for China.

It's that simple.

 

Let's see what GP is cooking up this time. Hehe, this is getting wild.

The insistance on one version of history:

Sorry dude, I can't believe you are using this line against me. Please tell me why should history has more than one version? Is it because you are used to multiple versions of history and are readily to throw them out as long as it suits your agenda?

Failure to acknowledge the PRC's as a totalitarian leadership:

and the freedom and the home of its people should be deprived not only by such leadership but also by hostile democracies.

Failure to accept a people's inalienable right to freedom reeks of the arrogance of autocratic rule:

How about failure to accept that a people's freedom shouldn't unjustifiably come at other people's expense, which reeks of selfishness and abuse of personal freedom.

A low level bureacrat in PRC propaganda machine:

Sorry dreamer. Me not what you want to make out to be. It's an insult to my intelligence as PRC's propaganda lines aren't nearly as good as my writings.

I'm currently unemployed and would like to find an ideal job. I would like to work for GWB so I can write more classical lines such as "Thou either my friend or my enemy". Uh, never mind, my broken English probably isn't good enough to be a cog within any government propaganda machine.

You, on the other hand, sound a lot like Joe Macarthy's beer buddy.

I'm open to your Hong Kong bet, but I'm worried about if you refuse to pay later as you would claim a low level Chinese bereaucrat has no right to claim his money because he happens to live in a totalitarian state.

 

We are willing to wait until China is democratic for unification to happen on the condition of Taiwan acknowledging China's ownerhsip. It's that simple.

 

If the vast majority of Taiwanese favor it, I favor it, but I'm always going to go with what I perceive to be the interests of the Taiwanese people. When I am convinced they want to be a part of China, I'll agree it should happen.

 

There are 1,300,000,000 people in China.

There are 45,000,000 who have internet service.

Only about 1 of 30 have internet access, if figures I read a few months ago are correct. That means that anyone who has access probably has a substantial stake or position. This is a country where the top basketball star rides a bicycle. We can infer from your internet access that you wouldn't have it if you ever criticized your government, or disagree online with its Taiwan policy.

In other words, we are not going to hear from ANY mainland Chinese who can post a differing opinion, because that guy won't have the access you have to the internet.

 

Yawn. Too bad you can't read Chinese. Go to sina.com.cn and see in there how many Chinese are bashing their government relentlessly and retract your childish lunacy.

You know sh$t about China and you are just throwing out sh$t to see if it sticks.

This is sad. We are here to present our views in hope for civilized and meaningful exchange of ideas, and what we get in return is defamation of characters and mindless conspiracy speculations backed with zero percent of evidence.

I got internet access because I have money. Internet access costs around 20 dollars a month for my ASDL connection, and a lot less if it's regular modem. Nobody gives a damn about who you are as long as you come up with the money these days. Believe it or not, there is no censorship when it comes down to applying internet access here in China.

You are also discounting the mass who doesn't have a computer and internet access at home but go to the numerous internet cafes instead. Also, Yao had internet access long before he came to America even he rode a bicycle. So unless you are saying Yao is a Chinese spy who swore allegiance to Chinese government to get that internet access you insinuation is pure crap.

Sorry, this has come down to sheer stupidity. It's up to you to give credence to my posts but you need some real evidence to defame me and other Chinese fans aboard. Oh wait who am I talking to? A freaking lawyer!

 

yeah, that's probably it

everything in China is great, and those political dissenters who get arrested are just troublemakers who don't appreciate the fatherland enough.

 

Glad to hear that you think China is better than I thought.

I think China is a great country overall because it always has the ability to rebound back from absolute demise in history. Currently, it has its problems that needs our taking care of, such as the human rights violations that goes on, and the Taiwan issues etc. We aren't sitting back and being content with what we have here. I don't know where you get the idea that I don't have my gripes against the Chinese governement, just because I think that Taiwan is part of China? How about over the one hundred countries that think so too, including USA? Do they also think that China is a country free of criticism? Obviously no.

There is enough human rights violations that goes in China right now, which IMO is the same things that went on in your lovely Taiwan in the 70's under Chiang's totalitarian ruling, and South Korea in the same time frame for that matter. The same political oppression as the need of the dictatorships, during the same economic takeoff stage, the same time in which civil rights awareness is wakening, and inevitably the same democralization process along with its social and economic development. I have seen enough signs to just say, we Chinese are gradually improving these conditions and one day China will be good enough for anyone in the world to reside in.

 

ok

I'll lower my weapon, but I'm keeping my eye on you, comrade.



I don't think anything Chiang did in the 70s remotely approaches the excesses of the Cultural Revolution. I am supremely confident that China will not do anything stupid regarding Taiwan, so this discussion is academic. Will the US do something stupid if China uses force? Absolutely.

but that's not gonna happen

if we get into it with China, it will be over Lil Kim and his army of highsteppers. Someone is gonna have to do him, and China is the logical choice.

 

Fine, keep your unwarranted surveillance on me and feel free to visit China testing your "theories". BTW, I don't know if you are paid to do work by the Taiwanese govenment either, so I'll be on the watch out as well.

I would like China to mow over NK for personal reasons, pending a legit cause. I have a lot of love for South Koreans and I wish Koreans can get back together like West and East Germany. However, China is not gonna launch a war against NK as situation stands. It's out of her character. The good thing is, I don't think China is gonna substantially stand on NK's side if a war breaks out between US and NK. Maybe verbal condemnation for the sake of putting up a gesture as China is always opposed to sovereignty violations, but nothing substantial would China provide NK with. NK is nothing important when compared to USA and South Korea. NK, Taiwan etc... are just pawns in big country politics that can be discarded when tides turn. I don't know if this works, but IMO the only incentive for China to consider using her force to crush NK is an undertable deal for the US to give up military interference in case of war breaks out between China and Taiwan.

 

Sorry it's off topic.

Maybe because you can speak Mandarin in SZ without being looked down? or what else reasons there is? I've been to Guangzhou but never lived in it, so I don't know why do you think SZ is a lot better than Guanzhou? and BTW, what are you doing there?

 

OK, it's a deal.

 

Perhaps this is a fundemental difference in our viewpoints. When you have a monolithic form of government you only get one view of history. In a democratic country where free speech is revered you get many interpretations of events. In America we say there are three sides to every story; yours, mine and the truth.

That's funny, over here I am considered a damn liberal.

No money is required for this bet, you just get to post a self congratulatory "I told You so" if you turn out to be right.

 

Thanks.

 

I know your point quite well through my American education. What I was talking about is that historical facts should have only one version, while you mean the interpretation of those facts from various standpoints. So let's just say both of us didn't clarify the issue enough.

You know what I mean. The manner with which you calling me out was erriely similar to Macarthysm, but I'll cut you some slack for this isn't the first time on this board that people tries to paint me black, and at least you have not been stubbonly persistent like FF does. I understand the stereotypes which may lead to your line of thinking. Relax, I don't really care what you think about me, I'm just here to tell people the other side of story. If you insist on thinking that I'm a Chinese spy, fine, go ahead. I really don't give a rat's a$$, and I would pass it around my friends as a funny story. But I urge you to extend the same attitude to various actors in this thread for we don't really know who they are either.

For argument's sake does it matter what the true identities are? As long as people come up with nice arguments I think it's worth to be argued about.

I like liberals. I guess my view on war is pretty liberal as well. Keep it up and plz don't push away the traits of liberals, and rushing to judgement isn't one of them.

I told you so.

j/k. I'm a Hong Kong citizen myself and HK people aren't that into politics. They do cherish what they have politically though. Ironically, some Hong Kong people revolted in 1967 because they wanted communism and Chinese reigning, which is the only revolt in Hong Kong's recent history. Hong Kong is probably the least likely place to revolt in China. If there is gonna be revolts it will start from the rural villages. Not for political rights movement, but for the sake of starvation, which isn't something I'd worry about right now. Some anti-China people writes about China to collapse in five years and that's pure pipe dream. If you wanna pick a bet, we can bet on whether Taiwan will be part of China or not in 50 years, I think I'm young enough to live that long to find it out. Heheh.