He didn't "climb the mountain" the Pistons team just got older. He battled them and lost for 5-7 years, by the time MJ reached his peak and had Pippen and co. the Pistons were on the tail end of their run already, Isiah Thomas is just 2 years later than Bird and Magic in the NBA. Its funny you talk about Wade as Lebron's butt buddy when MJ only achieved success with Pippen by his side. Who is the 2nd best wing player in MJ's era? Who could have defended MJ the best 1 on 1 during his time? LMAo if MJ really had that competitive streak he would've left the Bulls so he can face Pippen 1 on 1 instead of having him be his sidekick.
Stop it. Just stop it. Steve Kerr is a career 6ppg, 1rpg and 2apg player. Just stop. It's amazing how LeBron and Kobe fans have this way of really building up every player Jordan ever played with while Wade/Bosh/Kyrie/Love or Shaq/Pau/Bynum/Odom/Artest and all of their vet/former all star role players weren't all that great. "Have a seat son. Let me tell you how good Rusty LaRue was and then you tell me if you think D-Wade and all them bums LeBron played with was any good."
Ray Allen hated Rondo. That's why he left. He wasn't kicked out. In fact, didn't Boston offer him much more money than Miami? Miami w/o LBJ/Bosh/Wade would beat the Bulls w/o Jordan/Pippen/Rodman. The Bulls would have the best player in Kukoc, but the Heat would have the next 3 best players in Allen, Battier, and Chalmers.
Longley/Wennington Kukoc/Simpkins Buechler/Caffey? Harper/Randy Brown Kerr/? VS Birdman / J.Anthony Rashard Lewis / Haslem Shane Battier / Mike Miller Ray Allen / J.Jones Chalmers / NCole geez...i dunno man....who would win?
No, but he would be Number 2. I think GSW is overrated this season anyway. They remind me of the Heatles the first year, when they lost to the Mavs. If the Cavs beat the Warriors next year, if Kerr is healthy and after all that talent has had a year to marinate, then LeBron would be the GOAT.
How come he didnt create an army of Pippens then? Its funny how MJ is credited for pippen when it is PJ and the other coaches are the ones in charge of player devlopment. If Pippen was a nobody till Jordan "created" him how come it took 7 years and he only had 1 pippen? Pfft
Sure, but it's not like Wade played with Bosh or LeBron for a season, and then LeBron or Bosh joined the duo. Golden State literally swapped Bogut out and put in Durant. Almost nothing from the championship winning team changed. And Durant's style of scoring doesn't exactly clash with GSW's methods, either; Durant can hit 3s, cut, pass, play defense and handle the ball. He's not exactly Tony Allen joining GS.
Bulls would win. They are the former best regular team for a reason. OTH Miami would totally collapse without the big 3 all those guys were on the tail end of their career wtf. Birdman is even shorter than Rodman, you think he stands a chance against 7'2 265 pnd Luc Longley? Rashard Lewis is a perennial playoff choker, not sure why you putting him there has any merit he averaged 5 pts per game as a member of the Heat. Shane Battir, Allen, Mike Miller are all 90% retired, Miller got hot and revived his career one last time but before and after that all they're good for is spacing Ryno style. You're just biased just admit it.
He only dominated for 6 years though how many years did he play? If MJ was so good he can do it all by himself how come he didn't do it all the time? MJ is a 2 time quitter of the sport, he even quit to play baseball and only came back because he sucked. At least Bron is a real competitor and made ways to win at all cost, MJ talks a big game about that fire and competition but he quit 2 times. What kind of fire does he really have when he leaves the sport and plays baseball? If you say he left because there's nobody who can beat him why'd he come back then? If he was really competitive then he'd stick to baseball until he became great at it. Look at GOATs of other sports, Nadal and Federer didn't win 3 grandslams and then say I quit, they continued until they lost. Woods didn't quit after 3 golf championships. The Spider didn't quit after 3 UFC belts. Wtf. Basketball is the only sport where a two time quitter is the GOAT, he doesn't even have the most rings. Its all thanks to Nike, Space Jam and all the 80's kids who grew up drinking MJ koolaid. I wanna be like Mike...and quit my sport to play another, then come back when I sucked.
Yeah im bias...6'10 Chris Anderson is shorter than 6'7 Dennis Rodman. That Bulls team i gave you came from a 2nd round loss to the Magic. The Heat team i gave you were defending champs..so yeah..not the former best regular season team at 66 wins. Im bias. Just do you as all LeBron fans do. Tear down his own star teammates while building up MJ's role player specialist teammates as all near all star talent.
Exactly how long have you been watching NBA basketball? I'm really just curious. You sound like someone who only knows MJ through the usual overplayed Youtube highlights of his mostly in his mid 30s 2nd 3peat. Don't tell me your age, because there are plenty of people i know older than me that were really casual fans back in the 90s and only became fans when their team started being good in the 2ks. Who is your top 20 all time? Honest. These are highlights from every playoff series Michael Jordan played in b4 he won any rings....did you think he was supposed to be a scrub because he didn't win on his own? Look at the teams he played. You'll notice other than his rookie year against the Bucks(who had 3 all stars including ROTY and DPOTY), he was only bounced by teams who won or lost in the NBA Finals that had 3-4 HOFers and all stars while MJ had zero on his team. No one at any point has said MJ could win on his own all the time. It's been mentioned several times that MJ showed he only needed 1 all star level help to start dominating(and i showed you the bad boy pistons age and how they were defending champs and you continue to call them too old). Nothing was said about MJ beating anybody by himself. Though, if you really want to compare, i highly doubt he wouldn't make the NBA finals on his own against the cupcakes LeBron faced in 07.
Defending champs needed all world production from Lebron Wade and Bosh to win a ring. That Miami team was 90% 3 Kings, thats why they collapsed after only 4 years due to the strain. Wade aged, Lebron was used up and Bosh developed blood clots. Bulls reached 2nd round without MJ...great! Miami didn't get pass 2nd round without Lebron. So at worst that makes them even. Yes you are definitely biased. Luc longley is miles better tha Miami Birdman. Prime Kerr is better than about to retire Ray Allen. Get over it. If you combine rosters of Miami and Bulls and ranked them, the Bulls would have more players in the top 5. Mj, Pippen, Rodman vs LBJ and Wade. Then Bulls will also have a higher ranking as players like Luc Longley, Kukoc and Kerr are miles above Shane Battier and Mike Miller. Thats really all you need to know.
The 96-98 teams surely were. You had the big 3 along with Kukoc, Harper, multiple legit 7 foot centers and multiple distance shooters. I don't recall saying that. I recall commenting on how much help Jordan had when he won, which was clearly more help than anyone else had. And you keep trying to discount his help. His teams were stacked too.
What do you mean nothing was said about MJ beating everybody by himself? Thats what everybody keeps talking about. "Mj didn't need no super team, he beat everyone by himself". "I didn't want to be teammates with Bird and Magic, I wanted to beat them". Well he played with the 2nd best wing player of his era what happened to beating the best players? His best rival was his teammate how come he didn't leave the Bulls so he can beat Pippen? I'm not doubting MJs greatness, I'm just saying most MJ fans do double talk and mock LBJ because he needed great teammates when MJ himself needed great teammates to win.
Actually, we did see him cry about it. He constantly cried about the Pistons style of play, which is why they didn't shake the Bulls hands when they got beat. As far as colluding (which LeBron didn't do, look up the definition), Jordan didn't have the type of free agency LeBron did. However, Jordan did try to lead a strike to fight for that type of free agency. Interesting....
How did Jordan create Pippen? Did he make him a freak athlete with elite size, speed and super long arms? Did he give him PG skills? Did he give him an insane work ethic that took him from a team manager to the #5 pick in the draft? Didn't think so.
Lebron would have retired from the NBA if he had to go against those Pistons teams. Just admit that. Jordan was a cry baby too in certain aspects, I will concede that. In fact, he paved the way for Lebron to become the little self entitled douche bag that he is today. But, let's be honest here, without Jordan there wouldn't be a Lebron. This is coming from someone who is a staunch Jordan hater and Hakeem only fan. So take that for what it is.
