Not quite, but the clock is running. Most of Griffin's numbers are better this year than in his rookie season, but only marginally so. Another year like this NEXT year and he'll have to start doing that inane little antler gesture, since he'll be an official member of the Miles High club.
so Sane still hasn't found someone to agree with him in this thread? I count upwards of 8 people saying "nah." Now he's off on a Miles tangent? Sane, in your words, "Show us" someone who agrees with you.
Eddie Griffin Jason Collier Glen Rice Ì@ Dan Dickau PG S. Francis M. Norris Dan Dickau SG C. Mobley J. Posey J Hawkins SF T. Morris B. Nachbar PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim @ M. Taylor C Y. Ming K. Cato
Sorry Eddie Griffin Jason Collier Glen Rice Ì@ Shareef Abdur-Rahim @ Dan Dickau PG S. Francis M. Norris Dan Dickau SG C. Mobley J. Posey J Hawkins SF T. Morris B. Nachbar PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim @ M. Taylor C Y. Ming K. Cato
verse, love the sig. That's the way I've been picturing it. As far as Andre Miller goes, I guess I'd be happy if we got him without giving up Francis, but I just don't see it happening from a Rockets standpoint. I really don't think they are ready to give up on Steve at PG. I think they'd break up the backcourt duo before resorting to that. I think Steve would be much more angry if the Rockets forced him into another position, <i>and</i> traded his backcourt buddy at the same time.
I doubt if we could even get Marko Jaric for Griffin or Cato let alone Brand.They already have Wilcox who is more experienced than Eddie.Melvin Ely is a PF but can get some minutes as a center. Even if they wanted Cato to replace Kandi I don't think they would give up a more talented player like Miller.The Clippers can get better offers from other teams than us.
Huh? Wilcox is a rookie who's played a grand total of 20 games and averaged 7 minutes PT in each of those. Griffin has played in 117 games and averaged 25.5 minutes PT. Wilcox: 140 minutes total NBA time Griffin: nearly 3000 minutes total NBA time How is Wilcox more experienced than EG?
No one is asking you to touch them. Some of us, sitting in front of our keyboards, just wish that one or two were playing for the Rockets. Very unlikely, but not impossible.
We've done this before. Cat and Griffin is one of the best deals available for the Clips. I think it's better than Troy Murphy and Gilbert Arenas, don't you? Better than Dunleavy - check. Denver could offer Skita or Hilario plus. That's pretty good. Memphis could offer Gooden and Battier, and picks. That's probably the best offer. But Cat and Griffin offers the clips good, immediate return if they're going to lose Brand anyway. Falk will pull the strings one way or another. We have a good rapport with Falk. In a perfect world, he brings us Brand and finds a new more suitable home for Taylor, too. That's best for both his clients. It's not at all "un-possible." I certainly hope the Rox have a plan A AND a plan B, to move that package for a new player. I also like leebig's SAR option or a good-guy vet pure shooter like Ray Allen. I just want to see that we try to improve the team - our current mix is not complementary - the parts grind on each other.
It's not better than Troy Murphy and Gilbert Arenas. But that's besides the point. heypee just doesn't get it. None of those teams will offer a deal better than Cato/Griffin or Mobley/Griffin. Golden State would not part with Arenas, unless Andre Miller was included. Memphis have very little to part with. I'd say THE best possible trade out there is Drew Gooden and Lorenzen Wright for Brand and Rooks. But Memphis wouldn't go exclusively to Gasol at C, and Lorenzen Wright is on awful terms with the Clippers, like MoTaylor. Heypee, What SHOULD happen is one thing, what will/might happen is another. Oh, for the "someone agreeing" thing, I told you, go to the original Brand to Houston thread and you'll find tons of people who agree with me.
The answer may lie in the acquisition of Jamal Crawford from the Bulls. Personally, I do not want to part with Mobley or Griffin. The Cat is too much a part of this team, and Eddie has too much future. Griffin will be killer when he adds a few more pounds of muscle and learns to speak "arc," and the Cat could be -- and should be -- a killer Sixth Man Extraordinaire. However, with opposing teams not knowing who is the PG of the moment -- Crawford or Francis -- we add a lot of options, particularly if we choose a more balanced attack rather than always creating a weak side, as MacBeth pointed out in his treatise in his "Rocket Science" thread.
Here is some more information on Elton Brand & Andre Miller from ESPN INSIDER today. ##### Miller not Jazzed to be a Clipper Still trying to figure out what's wrong with Clippers point guard Andre Miller? I bumped into a source close to Miller just outside the Champs sports bar here in Atlanta last night, and he shed some light on the situation. Apparently Miller is despondent with the situation in L.A. "He didn't believe any place could be as messed up as Cleveland was," the source said. "But he was wrong. No one is on the same page there, and he feels like there isn't anything he can do about it. Everyone has their own agendas. There's a lot of talent there, but everyone's going in different directions." The source also said that the style of ball the Clippers play hasn't really meshed with Miller. He's especially suffered since Lamar Odom returned and took over some of the ball handling duties. So what are the chances that Miller re-signs with the Clippers this summer? "Zero," the source said. "He knows they won't match a big offer, and he's pretty sure that at least Utah will come in with something big this summer. He'd love to play with Jerry Sloan. He isn't a real vocal leader. He thinks having a real disciplined coach and system will be perfect for what he brings to the floor. I'd be shocked if he isn't a member of the Jazz next season." Clips GM Elgin Baylor, in an interview with the O.C. Register last night, seemed to echo those words. "Miller has not played as well as he is capable of playing, and I'm not sure why. It could be that he's getting adjusted to the system. It could be that he has things on his mind. I know that he was concerned about his step-dad (who died Jan. 17). But he's a better player than what he's shown, and I'm sure that eventually he'll come around." Speaking of the Clippers, don't expect Elton Brand to be a big player in the free agent market this summer. Brand's camp, led by agent David Falk, is concerned the Clippers do intend to give Brand a big offer. The problem is, Falk feels they won't give any money to anyone else. The last thing Brand wants is to be stuck in a long-term deal with a team with no hope of competing for a championship. Falk is going to insist that owner Donald Sterling re-sign several other players first. If that doesn't happen, Brand won't risk signing an offer sheet from another team. If the Clippers' matched (like the Cavs did with Ricky Davis in Cleveland) he'd be stuck. Instead, expect Brand to sign the team's one-year tender (just like Michael Olowokandi did last summer) and become an unrestricted free agent in 2004. ##### So it looks like Kandi and Miller are GONE after this season. Then unless Odom,Q, and Meggette don't sign FIRST then Elton will take the one year tender offer that Kandi took and leave after that year. The Clippers are a lame duck team right now with their talent. Their only options is to build for the future now because the talent they have now is pretty much out the door. Can the Rockets get Brand in a trade this summer? Perhaps, but I don't expect Brand to be a Clipper after next season at the latest! Chris
yeah, but, but, look at how the clips have done with miller playing point. yeah! why is everyone so high on andre miller?! yeah! yeah!
The Clippers, facing the loss of Brand for nothing....they have coveted Cuttino before, given the fact that he produces and has a reasonable contract; and Cat's presence might give Odom incentive to stick around, given the right offer. Maybe and maybe. And Eddie's a decent option who will be, at worst, the new Robert Horry and, at best, a shot-blocking Rasheed (although, by then, he wouldn't be a Clipper). So, the Clippers could conceivably get something in return for Brand. Or do they ride it out with him (All-Star or near All-Star player) until he's no longer contractually hampered to remain?
If Falk can engineer a deal that works for MoT he'll engineer Brand to Houston. I doubt any super agent is that super.
i don't necessarily believe a trade is possible, but i'm just wondering why no one has mentioned marko jaric in their possible trades. He's a huge point guard like jamaal crawford (6'6?) and can shoot threes, penetrate and dish well. he plays intelligently most importantly and if you check his stats, he's extremely productive for the floor time he gets. if it's about gutting the rockets, then francis + mobley + bostjan nachbar for brand + jaric + qrich/maggete
