Why are you defending Andre Miller? Just blame our own players! Andre Miller...great all these assists. But he is really not that good. I would not want him. He can't make any clutch shots. He is no leader at all. And Francis........well did Francis ever have an ELTON BRAND or LAMAR ODOM or anyone even that good with him? Francis...we should have made the playoffs. But injuries...and bad coaching. Our team is crap.
The reason I include a C and a PF is because I assumed that if they get rid of Brand, that they'd keep Odom and Miller. Also, because Kandi is leaving and they'll have no C. Regardless fo that, I'd trade Mobley for him too. There are several trades to explore. Denver, memphis and Golden State can offer whatever the hell they want. But it won't be better than a Rockets offer. What will denver offer? Clippers don't HAVE 20M in contracts to take on juwan Howard. Golden State can't put together a trade better than Cato and Griffin. Show me. If you're assuming it will drag out to the summer time when they will make better offers, think again. We'll have Griffin, Cato, Rice, AND Bran would refuse a sign n trade to those teams.
1.) Cavs record got worse every season Andre Miller was in Cleveland. Shouldn't he have been able to at least "make his teammates better"...just a little? 2.) No, Steve hasn't led a team to the playoffs. Then again, he played in the western conference and had a winning season. Bottom line, Steve's had more success in the NBA than Miller. 3.) The Rockets aren't trading Steve so I don't understand the point of even thinking about it.
Lamar Odom has played how many games with Andre Miller? Olowokandi is on comatose alert. Chemistry is big. You think the Utah Jazz and their 60 year old players win on pure talent? They have unbelievable chemistry. The Clippers have 0. You don't lead the league in assists and not have talent.
Uhh yeah. So you look at the Rockets. DO THEY HAVE CHEMISTRY? How long have they played together? I'm talking about Yao and the rest of the team. We are using a new offense because of Yao. But you're right. The Rockets suck. And Donald Sterling isn't very patient. Do you think he will resign Andre Miller? No time for chemistry...that's why the Clippers suck so much.
Anyone with a lottery pick in this year's draft can get Sterling's attention for Brand. It's pretty well known here in L.A. that Sterling LOVES his yearly lottery parties. It's said that it's the one time of the year when he really gets into BB, throwing his extravagant lottery party and inviting all his friends. And don't forget that Elgin Baylor just makes suggestions -- Sterling still makes all the decisions. That's why the Baron Davis trade fell through at the last second last year, leaving the Clips stuck with Wilcox and Ely and having to deal Miles for Miller. Sterling is definitely an idiot, but he's an idiot who's got his own agenda. Play to that agenda and you might walk away with Brand. Unfortunately, the Rox don't have a first-round pick to dangle this year.
Denver...Nene Hilario and the other guy...the #5 pick. That is a pretty good offer...add Junior Harrington and Vincent Yarbrough. They all are BELOW AVERAGE players... Memphis...Pau Gasol and Drew Gooden and Shane Battier. Golden State...FOYLE...DUNLEAVY...BOYKINS...ARENAS...MURPHY...DAMPIER...RICHARDSON...JAMISON. They have a lot to offer. But none of them are going to give any of them up. Rockets are the best!
What is this? Lets trade Francis? This guy is one-half of our future hope that this team will be a contender. Francis is still young and learning his way, he is only 25. Francis and Yao Ming are our hope that this team will be contenders for years to come. At the outside chance that Elton Brand is available, there are two things to be considered: 1) The economic impact of Brand's future contract on the Rockets, and the NBA salary cap. As much as Les loves to win, I don't believe he'll operate in the red, or pay the luxury tax to field a dominant team, only Cuban and Allen would do that. 2) What do the Clippers want for him? It would be great if the Clips wanted our bloated unwanted contracts. However, thats not the case. Brand is still under the salary rookie scale, so they could basically take cheap contracts, ala Griffin, Morris, Collier, etc. Thats pretty much what they're looking for, young cheap talent. Elton Brand on this team would bring in a blue-collar, hardworking player to hit the boards and do the small intangibles that this team sorely needs. Not to mention that the Rockets could set up a double post with Ming and Brand on the low blocks. At the most, this is a pipedream, but its one I've had since the 2000-2001 season, to which many BBS users said that once Brand came west, he would be undersized and not be as effective as we was in the east. All he is done is average a double-double almost night in and night out, he is an almost consistent 20-10 guy. At this point if Brand is truly available, and the Rockets want to make a run for him they are truly at a crossroads. They can trade young potential (Griffin, Maddox, Nachbar, Morris) for an established player in Brand and try to win it all now. Glad I don't have to make that decision.
I can't believe I'm arguing with someone who really believes Cato and Griffin is the best trade in the league for Elton Brand. I'm so embarrassed.
Hmm...WHERE DOES IT SAY TRADE FRANCIS? DO NOT TRADE FRANCIS!!! Yao and Brand together would be awesome. But it would be no use if we don't have any shooters. I would trade any of the following players for Brand: Moochie, Griffin, Maddox, Nachbar, Morris, Collier, and Hawkins. PROBLEM IS...Brand will want a lot of money. Unless we convince him that we can be a great championship team and the money will come later...We can win! But never gonna happen. Why don't we try finding a good roleplaying power forward?
why don't you find someone in this thread who thinks the Cato and Griffin for Brand is the best trade in the league for Brand. in your words: "Show me" And why not respond to the others guys in this thread who did "Show You" trades and reason why Sterling isn't handing over Brand for unexciting bench players and unrealized potential. nah, you just want to argue with me, apparently.
Oh, I'm not saying it's the best deal for Brand. But I'm saying, Sterling has done worse things. Oh, and the rumor originated as Cato and Griffin for Brand. Obviously, someone agrees that it's possible.
Chandler for Brand is the only sensible trade he's ever made. Let's not forget who was on the other line when that trade was made. BTW, he gave away Darius Miles for renting Andre Miller. Do you consider that a good deal? That's like trading Francis for Duncan right now and then not re-signing Duncan.
I seriously doubt that E.Brand is avalilable but if he is then I would give up anybody except Yao and Steve. Both forward positions are our weakest spot on the team. EG isn't and may never be a starting PF in this league, and Posey can't hit an outside shot. As much as you guys love to blame the guards ( I have as well, and still get frustrated with them at times) they are not the biggest problem with the team, the forward positions are. Why do you guys think Yao is getting double and triple teamed? Because our forwards can't hit a shot, and no one respects there offensive ability. If we can't land Brand (which we probably can't) then at the end of the year if EG hasn't shown any signs of "getting it" ,then we have to seriously think about getting someone in here that is a consistant PF.
It WOULD have been a good deal had he re-signed Kandi and given Brand an extension during this season, thereby showing his players he believes in them and wants to keep the team together. Miles, although a fan favorite, is pretty much an athletic scrub. He's never averaged even 10 points or 6 rebounds per game -- and *all* of his key numbers (FG%, PTS, RB, TO, BLK) are getting worse every year, even though he's getting more PT. He's a high-flying shoulda-been.
If it's too late for Miles, then it's too late for Griffin right? Miles needs to work like Kobe and T-Mac did to reach the level he was projected to achieve.
