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If Boozer did it to Cavs, TMac can do it to Rox

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by droxford, Jul 9, 2004.

  1. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    I feel we are going to be screwed in more ways than one with this god foresaken deal.
     
  2. Blatz

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    I will probably regret asking this, but how or why will we be screwed in more ways than one?
     
  3. droxford

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    I'm feeling better:

    1) First of all, the only thing I didn't like about the trade was the uncertainty of T-Mac's future here. That aside, I like the trade.

    2) I am glad to hear that the reason no extension has been signed is because the NBA won't allow it until August 4th.

    3) The fact that the Rox have Bird rights doesn't mean much to me: The Rox have always kept their team salary around $55mm, and I'm not confident that Lex would allow the team salary to increase well past $60mm or $70mm to keep T-Mac on. I get the impression that other teams could win a bidding war against Les.

    4) The fact that T-Mac has asked to play here, wants to play with Yao, etc. ... that really doesn't mean squat. As I said before, it's gotta be in writing.

    Hopefully, CD and T-Mac will work out an extension over the next 3 weeks, and on Aug. 4th, all they'll have to do is sign it. It should be a big day.

    ... But I'll still be a little nervous until it happens.

    -- droxford
     
  4. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    I was wondering this . . .

    I figure his extenstion will be announced on the 15th

    Rocket River
    it *had* to be part of the deal

    How long does he have to Opt at .. end of next season?
     
  5. JPM0016

    JPM0016 Member

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    Can you give me an example of Les Alexander letting a superstar player walk in his prime because he refused to pay him?
     
  6. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    I will be alright, don't worry.

    Other then that, your username is fantastic! If I could only change my name to Dark Helmet.. "Now you see that evil will always triumph...because good is dumb."
     
  7. Old Man Rock

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    You just don't get it Drox. No one can out bid the Rockets we can offer him more money than anyone else in the league and we will. It's probably already been worked out. The only problem is the Rockets are not alowed to even talk about resigning Tmac until August 4th. That is the rule. Anything before then is considered tampering.

    But that being said I can assure there was a very strong verbal agreement from Tmac that he would resign. Now verbal agreements don,t mean squat but in this case Tmac could have gone anywhere and he chose the rockets. Why would he do that if he wanted to play somewhere else. Now if he decides to renege on his verbal agreement he will lose millions of dollars. You see the CBA institued this rule allowing the team that currently owns players rights to ffer that player 10-12% percent salary per year more cash than anyone else to retain their players services. So for Tmac that turns into Millions of dollars more... so why would he throw away millions when he could have just requested to play for that team to begin and saved him self money.

    So the key points are he could,ve chose any team and he picked the Rockets and now that he is with the rockets no one can offer him more money.
     
  8. francis 4 prez

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    well if the mighty dollar rules all (which it does), then just be happy to know we can offer tmac more mighty dollars than anyone else, and thus, we rule all.
     
  9. francis 4 prez

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    a few other things. i don't think drox is worried we didn't get an agreement in writing, he's saying that's exactly how cleveland got burned. of course, i'm not worried at all because tmac has no motivation whatsoever (money-wise or going-to-a-better-team-wise) to leave us.


    while our salary is at 55M, that's with tmac already included so resigning him will barely affect that. besides, as someone else mentioned, when have we not paid our superstars their money (hakeem got his back in the day, barkley got that one year of max money after playing for the minimum, pippen got his deal, francis got his, yao will get his, tmac will get his).


    Old Man Rock, i'm not 100% positive but i don't see how you can get charged with tampering for discussing contract terms with your own players. if tmac were another teams player, we couldn't talk with him, or we couldn't pull a minny/joe smith situation whereby we get him off the market for cheap with a wink wink deal for future money*, but talking about extension i'm sure you can do whenever you please. we can't sign it until Aug. 4th, but i'm sure the discussions have already started.


    *of course, we did the whole wink wink thing with mo t and shandon (and didn't God punish us for that) but at least we weren't stupid enough to put it in writing.
     
  10. deadlybulb

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember from my business law class, a "verbal" contract is still a contract, so Boozer has breached his agreement with the cavs and is in violation. I guess there was no documentation or witnesses of the verbal agreement and this is why they can't stop him from signing w/ Utah.

    Or maybe the verbal agreement is null and void since the official signing can't take place until July 17th....

    I think I just answered my own question...

    I doubt T-Mac will sink so low!!!
     
  11. wizkid83

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    Also, aren't verbal contract illegal in the NBA? Remember how handy capped Minnesot was because of Joe Smith?
     
  12. Lobo

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    I believe standard labor law requires employement contracts to be in writing to be legally enforceable.
     
  13. dugtzu

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    at least francis is gone. loved the guy's heart but i could not watch the rockets with him in there. let the chips now fall where they may....
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    T-Mac would be silly to sign an extension until he plays a few games here and I don't think his agent will allow him to.
     
  15. droxford

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    Nope. I sure can't. And that makes me feel a little better. But I also can't list give you an example of Les Alexander paying his team more than $60mm, and that makes me kinda scared.

    You're right. He currently has no motivation to leave us. A year from now (if he hasn't signed an extension) he may get that motivation if another team throws a ton of money his way, or if a year with the Rox has shown him that he doesn't like it here.

    I agree - If I were T-Mac, I would try very hard to keep my options open to leaving if I wanted to for more money or for better chemistry. That's what scares me.

    -- droxford
     
  16. meh

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    Les has one of the most marketable players in the league, and a BRAND NEW ARENA. There's zero reason to think why he wouldn't pay up on T-Mac. Yao's extension is no big deal, because by then, Pike, Weatherspoon, and Taylor all comes off the books and has no chance at staying in Houston making nearly the money they do now. Overall, unless we go follow the Mavs/Knicks route and start adding overpaid mediocre talent, our salary is never going to be big. The salary cap takes care of that.

    Well, it's also possible that Yao will eventually hate Houston and bolts for the Lakers or something. But that doesn't make it likely. From his interviews, T-Mac doesn't seem a guy who wants to move around. He had plenty of time to choose his destination when he asked for the trade.

    Besides, the only *contender* in the league who can offer T-Mac superbucks is the Spurs, and they just locked up Manu/Bowen with their excess cap space. So that's no longer an option. We're not going to have any serious competition for his services next year.
     

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