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If Biden bows out, what is the Dem ticket?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rileydog, Jun 28, 2024.

  1. Space Ghost

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    Ultimately what I am mocking is the attempts to prevent Trump from being on the ballot (Colorado) have come full circle to where they now want Biden off the ballot.
    Yes, Biden can be removed from the ballot and replaced, but that makes it difficult if the candidate doesn't want to be removed.
    And if Biden steps down, some of these states now face significant legal hurdles. In Wisconsin's case, that is a place, as a democrat, you do not want a diluted ballot. The Republicans can sue to keep Biden on the ballot.
     
  2. juicystream

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    Really though? I'd have been stunned if they had a legitimate primary.
     
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  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Everyone now has perfect hindsight vision. Nobody saw this coming but we all saw it coming. Age is a funny thing, my father is 87, sometimes he has a lot of energy, sometimes he looks Biden did last night.

    We've been lying to ourselves about Biden, us voters and people in the party. Biden has looked worn down before this, just not consistently.
     
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  4. DonnyMost

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    We don't get to see the Biden talk unscripted for 90 minutes often.

    Anybody who has been paying attention knew the wheels were coming off, but it was anyone's guess as to when.
     
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  5. dobro1229

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    Just to dispel captain dipsh$t from earlier quote tweeting Charlie Kirk (tell me again you aren't MAGA, and then quote tweet Charlie Kirk...), in Wisconsin, Nevada, etc. no Joe Biden cannot be "replaced" in terms of his committed delegates. Nobody said that's the case, and everyone in the know has said it would have to be Joe Biden's decision because that's the law. You cannot just steal someone's delegates away from the voters who voted for someone in the primary.

    If Biden is "replaced" it will be because Joe Biden is taking himself out of the race. At that point, i believe the delegates go back through a process, or after the convention I believe you could only roll over to the VP. So that's why there is 7 weeks for things to change in terms of Biden dropping out.

    But there are contingencies for everything. Any candidate can get hit by a bus or get sick, or heaven forbid assassinations can happen as well. But no legally at this point Biden's committed delegates he won in the primary cannot just be taken back legally. He can however drop out, and even after the convention if something happened to him, or his health declined, at that point I do believe the nomination goes to the VP in the event of an emergency.
     
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  6. rocketsjudoka

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    I’m not up in the latest DNC rules but my understanding is that if BIden says he won’t run again the delegates are free to choose someone else. If Biden resigns from the Presidency then Kamala HArris becomes President but is not guaranteed the nomination.
     
  7. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    I think right now the Dems haven’t got any choice. In a few weeks, they will try to sweep everything under the rug like they’ve always done and ride Joementia all the way to the finished line in November, let’s hope the poor old fart still has a few brain cells left to leave on his own terms.
     
  8. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The WSJ had a nice piece today on the limited options that the Democrats have to swap out their failed candidate. Many problems stand in the way of throwing Biden out: Under campaign finance law, the money that Biden raised cannot be transferred to any other candidate except Kamala the Unelectable. Delegates have been pledged to Biden, and these are Biden loyalists. Agreement would have to be reached around a new candidate -- and this would not be easy, and would leave many parts of the necessary voting coalition unhappy. And finally, Biden himself is a narcissist and is highly unlikely to drop out for the good of the party because he's focused first and foremost on his image. He also needs to preserve his ability to pardon his son's crimes.

    As time marches on, the options diminish even further for the Democrats. Probably best for them to just take the L this election cycle and start fresh the next time... instead of creating an intramural civil war amongst their already shaky coalition.
     
  9. juicystream

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    Sounds like a VEEP script
     
  10. ROCKSS

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    My dad is 80ish and like your dad, sometimes he is sharp as a tack and I think to myself I hope I have his energy at his age and sometimes he looks and acts 80ish. I have never heard Joe act and talk like that albeit a gaffe that everyone makes, he looked worn out. I think people talk out their ass on this subject at times when they say there positive, he has onset dementia, we don't know that, he's old, could it be something else, sure it can but everyone should stop with the Monday morning Dr assessments. I know Joe loves this country and if he can keep going then fine, but if there is any truth to his mental health, he should take himself out of the race.

    I do think this will torpedo the election unless something out of the blue happens. There was already so much misinformation out there and people feed on the lies. I will still vote for Biden and the people who forget about Donald 1.0 will have to live with Trump 2.0................hey you might not have a Democracy but your PB might "possibly" be cheaper at HEB
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    You're making the assumption the latest batch of candidates is the best we have. The reality is any intelligent human with motivation and drive wouldn't seriously consider modern politics. All that is left are the narcissist and their loyal followers making decisions for the rest of us.
     
  12. Invisible Fan

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    The Dem party roster has been filled with geriatrics who "did their time" since the boomers ran the ship. I'll give Hillary some credit for not using party mechanics to hold back Obama during their primaries.

    Biden put a LOT of young blood in his cabinet, but it's a bit too little too late when replacements like Warren, Sanders, etc are in the same age cohort as Trump.

    Boomer donors stand to benefit the next upcoming rush of money printing, yet again. At some point, younger generations will have to pick up the pieces. That's when they'll Do Their (Boomers) Time.
     
  13. FrontRunner

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    I watched a little of this Whitmer debate and came away very, very impressed. Her with Warnock as VP???
     
  14. Jturbofuel

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    its too late in the game they are going to lose or win with Biden the only way someone else runs if he dies between now and election day.
     
  15. ThatBoyNick

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    Man, it would have been nice if we could've had some Democracy, and not have the organization that tried to wheel-barrel Biden into another 4 years just PICK someone. If this happens, and I hope it does.

    One of the biggest reasons Trump is so unattractive and dangerous is the angle of him being a threat to democracy, but it hardly seems like the DNC cares much for it themselves. Sure many saw RFK/Williamson/Phillips as jokes, but if they would have simply allowed for some debates to take place, who knows what could have happened.
     
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    Breh was not wearing a helmet either
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  17. El_Conquistador

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    [Masterpiece Post]
    Regarding Democracy. The Democrats have done the following to SHUT DOWN democracy:
    • Rigged their primary to give no one but Biden a legitimate chance
    • Coordinated efforts across the country to remove Trump (and Democrat challengers) from the voting ballot
    • Stripped away freedom of speech for their political opponents by banning them on social media.
    • Gutted protections against voter fraud by rejecting Voter ID, fighting to reject signature verification on ballots, and fighting to reject maintaining proper chain of custody on ballots
    • Mocked voting laws in place by openly flaunting illegal ballot harvesting efforts, ballot box dumping of votes, and late-night printing of hundreds of thousands of ballots with a 100% voting rate for Biden. Kicked out election observers from the counting rooms and lied about water main breaks shutting down the count. Coordinated a multi-swing state effort to delay the vote count.
    • Deployed campaign operatives to Atlanta, DC, and NY to abuse the legal system to bring civil and criminal cases against their political opponents with a goal of bankrupting and imprisoning their political opponents. Stripped away their freedom of speech by using a gag order.
    • Fights to have unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats to make laws instead of elected members of Congress.
    So go on, tell me more about which party is actively and openly working to subvert our democracy.

    A vote for Trump restores power to the people, safeguards our elections, and restores the foundational principle of democracy -- POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY -- the notion that political power resides in the PEOPLE, who express their will through voting.
     
  18. Amiga

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    I think logistically it might already be too late. The Democratic leadership, not their primary voters, would have to essentially pick a replacement now. If you want to talk about what's not fair or not up to the voters, this is it…
     
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  19. Amiga

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    Read the transcript. It was evident there. He performed poorly, improved toward the end but wasn't his usual self and seemed robotic and rehearsed, not in tune with the moment. No one cares about the stats or numbers he mentioned when lies were being thrown at him constantly. His reaction was very poor. Whoever prepped or coached him should never be involved in his preparation again.

    However, I think y’all are overreacting. It felt like groupthink.

    It's amazing that the nation is calling for a replacement. But I get it - he did poorly against a dangerous opponent, and Biden running again looks like a huge mistake in hindsight right after this debate. Yet, we continue to normalize and ignore that dangerous person and how he lied throughout the debate. It’s not the moderator’s job to point those out; that was Biden's responsibility. But it is the media's job not to accept lying as a “strong” performance or as the norm. It's amazing where we are now.

    I think some are also enjoying this way too much, as if it’s a sports game. It’s your kid’s future. Sad all around.
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    this is also why there has been such resistance from within the administration to releasing the actual audio of Biden's interviews with Robert K. Hur's investigators over the classified documents case. The transcripts have been cleaned up to make sense of Biden's interview responses.
     

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