All the RealGMers on here just like to trade for the sake of trading. Gives them someone new to root for ya know. We could win the finals in a sweep over the Pacers and the same posters would post the same tired trades and insist that this team needs a change. They dont believe in letting a team take time to gel. They want the immediate quick fix (or at least, what they perceive to be a quick fix).
After watching that Minnesota game, I just can't want to trade anybody. Minnesota sucked... but for 3 quarters, Houston played like a truly elite team. With the exception of a short contest w/Cassell, Francis was everything he should be. He created, he scored when necessary, he ran the offense. Mobley was everything a SG should be. He scored when needed, he minimized the bonehead shots, and he played D. Yao was a dominant force, and showed his ability to play well inside and out. I don't know. Maybe they'll regress next game, and I'll change my mind. But if they could just play that style more often, I see no reason to trade. I do want to see Mo T play more and Cato play less. More Nachbar, too!
And how many of these awesome trades that all you tradeaholic, Real GM jockies are citing to us as brilliant maneuvers happened in the middle of the season, after a team played its best basketball of the year? These threads are awful. Yes, I know, I shouldn't click on them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are awful.
Number 1 and 4 are the same. Don't know if you're trying to make the point twice or if it's a mistake. But anyway... Just because a deal isn't on the table or imminent doesn't mean we can't talk trades. it's purpose is to gauge our players' values against those of other teams. Just because a team is playing it's basketball doesn't mean it can't improve on THAT. In fact, it shouldn't matter AT ALL how well the team is playing AT THE MOMENT. if you cite the entire season, then that's fine. But you're saying this team is good for 5 games, so let's turn down a MoT+Cato for Shaq deal that's being offered by the Lakers. Ofcourse, that kind of thing is not on the table, but how the hell would we know? Only the Rockets know, and I like specualting abotu what moves could and would improve the Rockets in my own opinion. It's not negative, it's POSITIVE, I want IMPROVEMENT not because I don't believe in chemistry but because I don't think this team's ceiling is high enough. If you're content with something, that doesn't mean everyone is the same. You're happy with leavign this team the way it is, that's fine, but if we can improve the team (especially since we won't make it out of first round either way) then HELL YES I will support the trade. But again... We're better off waiting till sumemrtime if we were to trade Steve Francis.
Yes, I did.... My complaint had more to do with the offensive game plan of JVG as a bazillion CC'ers will gladly tell you (ducking fast) I saw it and posted an analysis of that in a thread here. I don't see that as a problem and explain why in that thread.... Don't give up your day job for gambling..... Not so, I don't see the point in blindly shopping him around for no apparent good reason. Since I don't speculate on speculation by CC'ers that are making up what GMs are "probably" going to do, I'll leave it at that...
Yep, I was trying to make a point. If a trade is rumored to be on the table (ie. ESPN, Mark Berman, or any other credible source besides real gm, hoopsworld or sina), let's talk about it. If it helps the team, let's do it. If there is no credible trade rumor to mill over, and I'm pretty sure there isn't at the moment, I don't see the point in talking about it. But hey, that's just me. This isn't MY bbs and I don't make the rules so there you go.
Given stupid many of the trade threads have been over the past 12+ months, it is understandable that many want to avoid them. It is possible, however, to talk trades, even in the midst of a good stretch, intelligently and there is no reason to smother that. If you realyl hate trade talk all-togther, there is absolutely no reason to enter a thred titled if a move had to be made.
I generally don't like the trades only because they are not thought ought and are really just "attention getters" for the poster. I agree, well thought out ones that even though may never happen but make common sense for some proferred reason are fun to speculate about, just like this guy should start or this one should get more PT....
Sane, In this trade, Francis's BYC status doesn't hurt us. We send out approximately $20,350,000 in contracts & take back approximately $18,975,000 in contracts. We keep our trade exception & William's $5,540,000 contract expires at the end of the season. The only "fly in the slaw" to this trade, is that Boozer's contract also expires at the end of the season & he becomes an UFA. We'll only be able to resign him for the mid-level exception. We could sign him for 3 years, with a player option after the 1st & 2nd year. That way, he can opt-out & let us resign him with his Early Bird rights after one year, or Full Bird rights after 2 years. The only question is would he do it? Even if he doesn't do it, we'd have a very good chance of getting Cleveland's #1 pick this year. If we're able to acquire Indiana's pick, we might be able to combine the two & move up a notch or two. Otherwise, we should still be able to pick a player in the #6-10 range that can help us. For the rest of you that are caught up in the euphoria of another nationally televised victory, let's see how you feel when the spot lights are turned off of Francis & he goes back to his usual style of play.
Let's just call it as it is - this is another thread for people to come up with ways to bash and get rid of Steve. And I had to chuckle at the person "who has been saying all year to trade Steve..." when they only joined last month. Unless they mean all of 2004.
i never really liked stevie that's true, but how have i said steve must go or simply bashed him. i provided what i feel to be true statements of how the rockets perform and the good/bad on court, off and financially. IF a trade had to be made (as the thread title is), trading steve would be my analytical conclusion to help this team. a few of you guys come in and scoff at how lame trade threads are, but i don't know what's worse... those or people who just go into every thread with some lame bias, read two sentences and make a jackass remark followed by abuse of the rating system and put a single star in everything they find distaste and five stars for everything they fancy
everyone here is always going back and fourth about trading. I been anti steve as everyone knows. Watch when we lose next the trade threads will pop up and steves name will come in and he will probably be a cause of the loss (and no im not blaming him for the losses this season) SO JUST TRADE HIM FOR THE MILLINOTH TIME.
i guess thats me. Here u go; i been saying to trade steve all month; happy now? I dont understand why people get so angry about people just expressing there opinions on what they feel is wrong with the taem.
Take a look at this thread I just started & see if you can see a trend involving Francis. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71521
True, however, since a move doesn't have to be made, there is absolutely no reason to even have a thread titled "If a move had to be made" This thread shoots itself in the foot before it begins; it begs a question that it can't answer which is a necessary precondition for it to have any value; accordingly it (along with all the fantasy trade threades) is as speculative and pointless as fantasizing about whether or not Eric Piatkowski will be abducted by aliens or whether Jim Jackson will succeed in his quest to swim the English Channel..........things that wil never happen .
of course, this website IS a site for Rockets fans. If your sole purpose in life is to bash Steve,then by all means make ihatestevefrancis.com I bet all the people yapping about us just beating Minnesota and how we're playing well right now are the same ones begging for a trade when the Rockets were 2 games over .500 a couple of weeks ago. That's the way the board always is, though. Not many people are consistent with their opinions. This team DEFINITELY needs a major trade if they want to be competitive. The Rockets still haven't proven they're consistent enough to compete with the top teams in the league over a whole season. I think I can count the number of quality road wins on one hand...
As you stated: "let's see how you feel when the spot lights are turned off of Francis & he goes back to his usual style of play" My comment was in reply to that... not some ddifference in how many shots SF had vs. Yao and all that... Spotlights vs. shot attempts..... Spotlight will still be on Monday. Shots attempted stiil will matter and I agree that when Yao is involved they are far more effective offensively... That isn't only Steve - Yao gets shots through passes from others and he gets more when he isn't foul trouble, when he doesn't get winded etc. I can't believe you put that much effort in that... just wait next time, Clutch will do it for you....
I put in the effort so that I can back up what I'm saying, not just spout off a bunch of crap. By the way, the spotlights I'm referring to are the nationally televised games.
