You're right, i was thinking in terms of the cubs and rockets, rockets are about 41 years and i believe the cubs are over 100.
what's your cut of range? when the Rockets have been here for 100 years? then you can say we have some tradition worthy being called rich?
Even though I appreciate tinman's thread, I have to admit that PointForward, will always be known as the guy who served tinman.
dude are you freakin serious!!! there's no range when it comes to "rich", it's content based. If a team exists for 300 years and never win a damn thing, no rings no conference titles, always have a bad record and bad players, then they have HISTORY, a TRADITION of losing, but neither a RICH history or RICH tradition. a team that exists 5 years and wins the title every year, has a RICH TRADITION, technically also a RICH HISTORY. The rockets have history. NBA-wise you can consider it rich history since not a lot of NBA teams have had this much success, but i don't consider it tradition because the success came in different ways, wasn't extremely consistent for 41 years. It was more like a few great years here, a few good years here, etc. There's no real tradition there, it's history. Lakers and boston have history AND tradition, a tradition of winning. the lakers have a big man tradition, etc.
How about not insulting people every time you make a thread tinman? You wonder why people are annoyed with you.
The Lakers and Celtics have a history of losing too. Look between the Bird Era and last year for the Celtics. We have a tradition of great players (note the video) and winning too. We have a period of losing also. just like the Lakers and the Celtics. Don't blame since we are a 'newer' franchise compared to the ones that have been there for along time. You know the Rockets made the Finals twice in the 80s right? if you are right and it's not tradition, please contact the Rockets who made that video and tell them there's no TRADITION.
well tell them to stop insulting the Rocket's tradition then. Look at the video, it says "TRADITION" so some people think we don't have any. I'm correcting them. the truth hurts.
No way, I absolutely disagree. Look at a team like the Marlins which won because of managerial shrewdness. After all of their World Series victories they went straight to crap. They don't have continuity in their roster or anything else for that matter. They should certainly qualify as an example of a team that's been in existence for five years and wins the title every year. Winning != tradition or history.
http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/archive/2004/nba/rockets_tickets.shtml Malone won the most valuable player (MVP) award in 1979 and placed first in rebounding and second in scoring during the 1980-81 season. Despite a 40-42 record, the Rockets qualified for the playoffs by one game in 1981. Guided by head coach Del Harris, the team won the first three playoff series but was defeated in the championship round by the Boston Celtics. The Rockets traded Malone in 1983, and poor finishes in the next two seasons gave the franchise top picks in the NBA draft. Houston selected 7-ft 4-in (2.2-m) Ralph Sampson in 1983 and 7-ft (2.1-m) Hakeem Olajuwon in 1984. In the 1985-86 season the two centers'”nicknamed the Twin Towers'”led the Rockets to the Midwest Division title and upset the defending NBA-champion Los Angeles Lakers in the conference finals. Houston was again defeated in the NBA Finals by the Boston Celtics. The Rockets lost several players on the 1986 team to injuries, trades, and substance-abuse problems, and the club struggled through the late 1980s. With Olajuwon taking his place among the league's top players, however, Houston recorded several fine seasons in the early 1990s. Tomjanovich was hired as head coach before the 1993-94 season and the Rockets tied an NBA record by beginning the season with 15 consecutive wins. In the playoffs at the end of the year, the Rockets captured the Midwest Division, marched through the playoffs, and downed the New York Knicks in the NBA Finals. Olajuwon won the league's MVP award and the NBA Finals MVP award. Guard Clyde Drexler joined the Rockets for the 1994-95 season. He and Olajuwon, both veteran all-stars, led the team to the 1995 NBA Finals, where the Rockets swept the Orlando Magic. With the victory, Houston became only the fifth team to win back-to-back NBA titles. The other teams to do so are the Los Angeles Lakers (first while located in Minneapolis and then again once the team moved to Los Angeles), the Boston Celtics, the Detroit Pistons, and the Chicago Bulls. In the late 1990s, despite the addition of such players as Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen, the Rockets failed to win another championship. The team traded Pippen before the 1999-2000 season, after he spent just one season with the club. Now Yao Ming, the sensational center from China, looks to continue that tradition of legendary big-men in Houston. His arrival has breathed new life into the Houston Rockets, and once again the city of Houston is buzzing with excitement. This year coach Jeff van Gundy and the Rockets look to break into the playoffs for the first time in four years. They are led by point guard Steve Francis and center Yao Ming, and they are a team with an eye towards the future. The Houston Rockets are playing in the new Toyota Center this year, and they are sporting new jerseys as well. But it's too soon to tell if the new changes will ultimately help the Rockets return to their winning ways.
Absolutely. Rockets are one of the top all-time franchises. Here is how any objective fan should rate the franchises: 1. Boston Celtics 2. Los Angeles Lakers 3. New York Knicks 4. Detroit Pistons 5. Houston Rockets 6. San Antonio Spurs I know, I'm biased on the Rockets vs. the Spurs, but I do feel our dominance over a longer period of time surpasses their 1995-2007 run. Here's how it should read: 1. Houston Rockets 2-?- Who cares?
Well if we're talking history then you should know that it's not how much they lose that counts, it's how much they have won. The Rockets winning-EST era = 2 rings The Celtics winning-EST era = 11 rings You do the math.
It doesn't matter how many championships you win. You don't have to win it all to be a successful franchise, IMHO.
and that's fine if you want to specify what tradition it is, they have had enough centers spread out over their history to say that
It's a tradition of heroes. It's the tradition of the underdog. 81 Rockets , underdog 86 Rockets, underdog 94 Rockets, the media hated us 95 Rockets , underdogs, David Robinson mentions all the MVPs except for Dream
all teams in the nba have some periods of losing, the difference is those who have less of them. We're getting too specific and picky here. The point was you said we were rich in championship history and hallf of famers and i didn't think it was exactly rich, since that usually means full of, having a lot of, etc. The tradition thing is just getting picky on my part, you're not using the word correctly, but i get what you're saying, just like i get what that video was trying to say with "41 years of tradition". The problem was when you tried to equalize the video's meaning and your original statement. the video isn't about hallf of famer's and rings, it's about success throughout the 41 years and the players who played a role in it. And yeah i do think they should have been more specific with saying what tradition they were refering to, but that wasn't the only mistake in the vid, they also called the rockets a dynasty, and i think we can all agree back to back rings isn't a dynasty. Even the spurs weren't called a dynasty until their 4th ring.
Personally i wouldn't call 4 out of 41 years a pattern. The big man tradition is about 7 yrs for hayes, 15 for dream, 6 for malone, etc. that alone covers 28 of the 41 yrs, and there's still Yao, about 7 yrs, and Sampson, about 5...so that's like a total of almost 40 years of the 41 where they had a star big man. That's what i'd call tradition, not 4 yrs.
