I should further this by saying.. if they got rid of wagners money and then didnt' add anyone I'd have been mad... but they added all the money they spent on wagner and a little more for this years payroll .. so there isn't much to complain about.. we are never going to be a huge spending team like the yankees etc... do I wish we were? yes .. I wish we had an owner that would lost big bucks to spend 200 mil on us every year.. but that's not going to happen... this is one year I can't blame drayton
Well, time to rebuild. Time to cut ties with loyalty. Thanks for making the begining of the season exciting, and doing all you could to try to wake this team up Drayton and Gerry.
So who here knows exactly how much Drayton profits from all endorsements, concessions etc. exactly each year after payroll? Until we know that number you can't accurately say that this guy is screwing Houston. I think he is but that is my opinion. I see it like this Houston is a big ass city. We have huge corporations all over the place. Oil and Gas companies etc. Why the hell do we always here this talk about payroll? I mean we know that smaller markets do spend more than the Astros. Look at the old Cleveland rosters. I know we are bigger than Cleveland. What I'm saying is I think we don't spend enough nor do we plan for the future. And I don't want to hear the stuff about the Marlins championship teams etc. We signed big contracts to Hidalgo and Wagner and we always do the contracts where they get bigger later which doesn't amount to crap because the only players they are actually paying that they did this with is Biggio and Bagwell. You sign the contracts like that so then you decide you don’t want to pay these players anymore. Yet you didn't plan for the future and now you decide increasing payroll to make up for those mistakes is not an option. It’s Hunsicker and Drayton’s fault. We had issues from last year that were not addressed. The bullpen is what carried us last year and they get rid of the best 1-2 punch in the league in Dotel and Wagner. Hidalgo was not up to where he should have been but was robbed of a golden glove. Yet they stop wanting to pay him and have the fans thinking it was to shake things up. Yeah right. . The Astros made how much when they named it Minute Maid? How much does EV1 pay them for those ads on the foul polls? Like I said it’s only my opinion. I too thought that this team would do way better than this. I’m really wondering what the hell is going to happen next year.
Im usually the first to point my finger at Drayton...but the guy has stepped up. He is the last person to blame. The players, on the other hand, have made my life hell. Every day has become the worst day of my life. Thanks, you bastards.
why is any of this remotely relevant to our discussion, bigboy? if they're good baseball moves, who cares if they're good for drayton financially? i would assume that a good baseball move can be a good financial move for the owner many times. the point is...if goes out and makes good baseball moves...and the team still doesn't win...it's his fault? that's not even a remotely rational argument.
The thing I love about Astros fans is that they always support their team. Let's see butts in the seats now that you guys are horrible. Who does that? Huh? Right! Go Cubs!!!
in all fairness...there about 3-5 cities that support baseball teams win or lose. and by the way...cubs fans aren't there for the cubs.
Yeah I know they like beer, but they do also like the Cubs a little maybe... Still its great to have fans like that....
i guess. i went to wrigley in june. went there with a friend who is not a houston guy...a big colorado sports fan who tends to be critical of houston sports. we had to sit in different parts of the park because we bought out seats separately. after the game we both met up...i asked him what he thought...he said, "unimpressed. the fans don't give a damn. i'd rather go to a game in houston...the fans are more into the game there than they are at wrigley." that was exactly what i was thinking, but i assumed my view would be too skewed by my homerism...but here's a guy who doesn't have that viewpoint. the only park i've been to where i felt there was a dramatic difference was fenway. they treat their baseball with a college football enthusiasm. i love that place. i understand yankee stadium runs a close second. after that, you're hard pressed to find anywhere in the bigs that gets up for their team, win or lose. even teams with great history.
Well I think Hunsinker deserves a little blame. You got a team built to be a power team that doesn't have that much power. The offense of this team has been flawed for about 3 seasons, and Gerry really did nothing to address it.
carlos beltran? jeff kent? with prior production from berkman and bagwell...with reasonable expectations for kent...with hidalgo building off of last season....with all that, this team had a ton of power coming into this season. agreed that it hasn't played out like that. but i don't think there's anyway that any one of us would have thought that craig biggio would have more homers at the all star break than either bagwell or kent.
I'm going to hold my tongue. There is no way to discuss this issue with you. We're on opposite ends of the spectrum. It seems to me that you pick and choose what you want to read in a post. Read the title of the thread. It is thanking the two idiots for what they have done. I have a different view of how things went down. Right or wrong, they are my views. I will try to explain to you what went down this summer and maybe you can stop your ...whatever you do. But, before I go any further. Tell me who is to blame. Not Biggio, not Hunsicker, not Drayton, Not Jimy, then who... The weather? Bad Luck? The heart of the lineup?
did you mean to quote the part of my posts you quoted?? just checking. you say i'm unreasonable...but you blame the owner without making an even remotely rational argument for it. i'm still waiting for that. you claim everything he says is a lie. and i'm biased, right? who here agrees with you, by the way? of course you're entitled to your view...but support it. i asked you to, and you didn't. i've told you who is to blame...power hitters not hitting for power...the fact our leadoff hitter has as many homers as our opening day cleanup hitter and our opening day 3-spot hitter. we were entirely unable to drive in runs for a prolonged period of time. and losing set in, big time. how many games in a row did we go without scoring 5 runs?? i'm not blaming that on the owner. still stuck on jimy?? now where sans jimy, and the team still sucks...still finding creative ways to lose. so is it garner's fault now, too??
Why not? Hidalgo has had just as many bad years as good? Kent has been in a decline ever since his wrist injury, Bagwell's shoulder has been a topic of conversation, nevermind father time... We started the season knowing that best case scenario, Brad and Adam weren't going to produce... Still we thought we had a good lineup. We went into the season knowing not one of our everyday players was above average at stealing bases.... How many left-handed sticks did we anticipate starting? He did a good job? RIGHT? These are the same issues we have had for lord knows how long? I now understand why the Mets didn't hire the idiot. We have allowed Hunsicker to get away with bad moves forever just because of the financal contraints that have been put on him. The truth is, the players are not the only ones to blame. Who hired Jimy by the way?
wow...and so what did you think the astros would do before the season started?? did you say we'd suck?? be in last place??? because it sounds like an amazing case of 20/20 hindsight to me, bigboy.
the point is he didn't try to get some speed and build a more balanced offense. If this team isn't hitting long balls its struggling.
Exactly the point. Is it obvious now? You are a contributing member. Go back and check to see if I said that before the season!
