" I would rather die on my feet then live on my knees "

Well, let's see. The Israeli government's goal is secure borders for Israel and safety for their people. If that means giving Palestinians a state, they will do it. Even the "evil" Sharon has endorsed the idea of a 2 state solution. It has been the goal of the Israeli people and government for over a decade now.

On the other hand, the Palestinians, probably most of them, or at least the terror groups in control, would like to completely destroy Israel. If Israel loses the war, all the Israelis will be killed. When Palestinian leaders speak to their people, destruction of the Zionists is the goal.

If Israel wanted to kill all the Palestinians, it would have been done already. They wouldn't wait for a suicide attacker and then respond with targetted killings. But if the Palestinians got a nuclear bomb...what do you think?

 

if they even tried to do that, i mean state that they are after palestinians the Arab community would seriously launc a legit JIHAD

 

Well the Palestinians stated years ago that they were 'after' all Israelis. Should the Jews have begun a legit jihad?

 

prove it.
you say "the Palestinians", like their entire population has one mind. either take your statement back or prove it. otherwise you're just a racist.

 

Come on now. The Arab community RIGHT NOW is trying as hard as it can to launch a Jihad.

If the Arab countries surrounding Israel had the military capabality, they would invade Israel immediately.

 

The Palestinians STATED it in their Charter.

And I, unlike you, do not demean the Palestinian people. In all of these threads, I have NEVER cast negative traits on the Palestinian people. As much as I deplore suicide bombings of civilians, I understand the situation many were born into. I understand how angry families get when they lose their land, farm, and loved ones. A Palestinian coworker and I whose family lost his ancestral home discussed it at length 15 years ago.

I don't make disparaging claims about Palestinians like you would if the shoe was on the other foot; I imagine you would call Palestinians 'murderous and barbaric'.

I don't think that they are, regardless of how they feel in the surveys. Under different circumstances, I believe that they would feel quite differently.

So don't even try to compare my statements with your racist dribble. One day, these two groups of COUSINS will make peace, but people like you will not be a part of the solution. You will only prolong the agony.

 

if they did attack israel. USA and UK would attack back, and that is enough fear not to attack israel. if it was israel vs. the arabs who would win?

this is all hypothetical, but responding to MR. clutch who claims that if arab communities had military. israel had no military it was given to it by USA, f16 etc are all supplied by america. just like it supplied afganistan back when they were fighting russia

 

Of course, the United States also sells military equipment to Arab nations, including Saudi Arabia and Egypt (and, for a long time, Saddam Hussein's Iraq, though the Soviets were the bigger supplier of heavy military machinery like fighter jets and tanks, etc).

The Saudi air force and the Egyptian air force fly American jets just as the Israeli air force does (though I know the Egyptians have some Russian planes as well). As far as I know, we never went that far with the Afgans.

So, I wouldn't say it was "just like" our support of the Afgan rebels.

 

The reason the USA gives Israel support is because the Arab countries want to destroy Israel. Which gets back to my original point: Israel is seeking the 2 state solution, the Arab countries really aren't interested, they want to destroy Israel.

 

if israel was seeking the 2 state solution wouldnt it have agreed to the "unofficial deal" proposed, instead it rejected such a revelation before it could even be considered legit.

 

selling is much different than giving. you can buy only as much as money you have, but you can recieve as much as is given to you.

 

But Israel has, in the past, agreed to several roadmaps that would lead to a two-state solution, only to see those derailed by terrorist acts.

Just because they aren't for ever two-state plan doesn't mean they aren't for a two-state plan.

 

We sell those planes and the like to Israel, as well. They aren't gifts.

While the U.S. does give approximately $3 billion in direct military aid to the Israeli government, the U.S. is not responsible for the whole enchilada ($3 billion would equal about a third of Israel's military budget).

For the record, we provide $1.3 billion to Egypt annually in military aid. The United States reportedly supplies between half and all of Egypt's military budget.

Jordan is expected to receive $350 million in military aid from the United States this year and was given 6 F16 fighter jets, as well as a promise of 11 more.

 

That should read: "Just because they aren't for every two-state plan doesn't mean they aren't for a two-state plan."

 

the US also loans israel money ( we already had a debate on this) and israel puts that money back into buying military supplies from the US. so in the end it buys 2/3rd of its military supplies from US cash, which i agree will be paid back, but isnt now the time when its being decided who is the more powerful group (israel or palestine)

 

I think the 'unofficial deal' should be used as a basis for an official agreement, but there are a couple of issues you need to be aware of:

1) The 'deal' did not address ending the terror groups;
2) Sharon's weakened gov dismissed it. That does not mean that it will not gain some traction with the Israeli people.

 

They don't need to put a whole lot of money into the military to be more powerful than the Palestinians.

 

Its hard to understand but last year I voted for DaDakota and MacBeth as my most respected posters!How is it that they have become so bitter towards each other? I don't enjoy their conflicts! I must change my Forum before I become delusional.

 

Too late!

Just joking, Yetti .

 

Anyway, how can you live on your knees after you have died...