" I would rather die on my feet then live on my knees "

Did you check out the link I provided?

 

So.....let me get this straight.

Lil, Adeel, & Macbeth support the suicide bombings by the Palastians.

MMMMMkkkkkkaaay.

DD

 

1. Innocent means the babies and small children that are unarmed and have no chance to defend themselves. There are innocents killed on both sides, but nobody is asking the UN to forcibly remove the Palestinians (also the Israelis don't tend to be TARGETING the innocents).

2. You thought right (I guess you could say Israel was restored, not created), but I don't know what it has to do with what I posted.

 

i dont thin you are understanding when i write down... I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS, ive done this like 5 times now. I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS.

I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS
I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS
I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS
I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS
I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS

does that help dakota..

I AM AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Good,

Now all you need to do is acknowledge that religion has no place in government and your education is over.



DD

 

Not the religion
but some of its tenets are fine

Rocket River

 

the Koran teaches different...you're asking him to forsake his faith for some democratic ideal. i know i'd be unwilling to do that.

 

Is everyone missing the obvious point? Israel has offered peace and independence to the Palestinians. The Palestinians responded with hatred, violence, and a war to try to take ALL of Israel.

If Israel wins, there will be 2 states- Palestine and Israel.

If the Palestinians win- there will be 1 state- a Palestinian dictatorship with little in the way of human rights or freedom.

 

yeah, that's my position all right. presicely.


Pay no mind to the hundreds of times I have said I am against ALL killing, including the death penalty, abortion, etc. just do the following math...


MacB is saying that what the palestinaisn did we did...and since we did must have been right, therefore McB is saying that the palestinians must be right in what they're doing...


I can honestly understand why, to you, that seemedthe obvious conclusion, given the middle part of the math which you seem to assume.

 

Well, I've never seen adeelsiddiqui support it. lil...who cares. FD Khan rationalized it here, then your post seemed to imply that any argument against the logic of his post would be unjustly dismissed.

I can see how DD drew his conclusion about how you feel from this thread. Can't you?

 

every one of your posts is aimed to bring me and islam down on its knees huh. just me not hitting you back with a diss about your religion shows you the humanity that islam teaches

 

no.
if israel wins, things will be as they are. one state. a jewish authoritarian state with little in the way of human rights or freedom for palestinians.

if palestinians wins, we will have the U.N. in there imposing their original two-state solution.

 

whoa i totally disagree... i dont see how you came up with this conclusion

 

the rule is apparently if you support the palestinian cause, you automatically:

1) support terrorism and suicide bombings
2) support the extermination of jews
3) support fundamentalist muslim theocracies
4) support authoritarian dictatorships

lol.

 

a) No, I think I made my point pretty clearly, and what i was defending about F.D.'s post was the matter of perspective, and the fact that people would discount the fact that we did the same things, for the reasons I gave, thereby avoiding his point about the subjectivity between a rebel patriot and a terrorist.

b) Also, I have stated my position to DD specifically several times. Knowing that, as I do, it was clearly just a shot.

 

I think DD has stated pretty clearly that he is skeptical of ANY religion since they are written by man. I don't see how stating you don't believe religion belongs in government automatically means you're trying to bring down islam.

 

Religion should have NO ROLE in government. NONE. Government officials should answer to their constituents, not their god.

 

What if their constituents believe otherwise?

 

You can find several cases in American history where the desire of the majority went against the law of the land. Part of protecting minority voices and opinions is not always allowing the majority to rule.

Religion in government can cause a lot of these types of problems.

But it is an interesting question. How do you set up a government that both respects the majority while also protecting the minority? The United States has a good set-up for that kind of thing, in theory. In reality, it hasn't worked as well as we would like. But that's part of the evolution of the country, and hopefully we will continue to strive to get better.

And hopefully, such a system that is allowed to grow and change and reflect both the majority and minority can come to more places in the World who do not currently live under such a system.

But having a government based in religion naturally lends itself to a system that is not equal for those who do not share the religion.

 

Bullcrap. Why on earth would Israel want to continue this. They offered a state already. They just want the Palestinians to stop attacking, and if that takes giving them a state, well that is fine with them.

If Palestinians wins the WAR then what makes you think they will let any of the Jews live?