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"I was McGrady Back Home"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dandorotik, Jan 23, 2007.

  1. MadMax

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    Because he's trying to do it the right way. Because he didn't throw Bonzi under the bus. Because you take care of the team's dirty laundry behind closed doors.

    VSpan went to the press to complain. And, honestly, comes off looking ridiculous.
     
  2. jakedasnake

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    Yes, because Rafer is shooting at around 35% but also because Rafer is a good PG he can run the offense better than anyone and usually has low turnovers. I know everyone hates him but he can contribute in other ways if his shot is not falling. I just wish he would look to penetrate and dish more instead of going 0-9. I agree that JVG has turned out to want his players to shoot open 3's even when they are struggling. I don't know if I like this approach but hopefully Rafer will find a way to contribute more.
     
  3. solid

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    If I was sitting on the bench watching Alston play, I would think I could do better too. Almost anyone would. Alston has his moments, the problem is, they are only moments. Most of the time he is anything but impressive. You can't prove youself with no minutes. And it is not fair to stereotype a player based on a few brief appearances. I do see potential in VSpan, but from JVG's point of view, it is hard to paint a moving car. The season comes at you so fast, there is little time for reflection or extensive player evaluations.
     
  4. Hayesfan

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    Which is why I have them both on ignore! :)

    getting back on topic...

    Vspan is obviously a good player... and maybe in Greece, being a good player is all it took to be a "Tmac" with fans all over the country.

    But in the USA, you have to be more than good, you have to be great to be a "Tmac" and get the respect you deserve.

    I guess training Bonzi to check the attitude at the door wasn't the only player obstacle JVG was going to have this year. Vspan, I think, as he acclimates to the US will learn that thinking you're the best and being the best is two completely different things. He's only been here what, four months? That isn't enough time to figure out where the best place is to buy lunch much less understand how the NBA works. I hope that he figures out what his role should be and instead of thinking about what it could be quickly so that he can be utilized and not be "taught a lesson" for the rest of the season.

    And I am sorry, but it is a coach's job to create a team, and if someone tries to put themselves before the team, he has every right to sit that player on the bench until he figures out how he can help the team within the system.

    I am sure at this level there are some that believe the players are so talented that you can just let them go out and play, but if you want to win consistantly you need structure.

    okay.. hopping off the soapbox :) who's up next!
     
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    "i was Mcgrady back home" has been taken way out of context.I posted 3 months ago that V-span is adored more than any Futbol player on Greece's national team.Of course rockets personel had to promise him playing time to get him over here.People don't understand,that the foreign player would rather embrace the Fiba trophy and raising their flag than the NBA Tropy.

    PS: Shame on the chronicle for not showing any credit to clutchfans :mad:

    Vamos a Liberar a spanoulis ;) !
     
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    I'm trying my best to kick some knowledge to them but they insist that he's a basketball Zeus
     
  7. EGYPT

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    We have heard Yao say that VSPAN is like Nash and TMAC saying that Novak is the best shooter he has ever seen, but it does not matter, becasue JVG says that the PG spot is Rafer's case dismissed.

    Only the players like Ryan Bowen and Rafer Alston are going to be loved by the coach becasue they shut up and do what he says with no creativity what so ever.

    I am actually happy that finally one of the players has called out JVG in public, even though history says he will be shipped out, but JVG contract situation might prove otherwise. The heat is now on th coach.
     
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    You made the best point for the hot Span/JVG issue. But I do think JVG should show a little bit more patience and give Span more time to prove, a better Span will help the team a lot, we all know Rafer did not do a good job.
     
  10. lunaticrocket

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    In Europe they call T-Mac "the European V-Span".
     
  11. lunaticrocket

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    Oops... I meant "the American V-Span"
     
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    "His turnovers have been high; his fouls have been high; his shooting
    percentage has been low."

    It looks like talking about Rafer Aston too. That may be one of reasons Vspin thinks he can also play. But having said that, Vspin can not asked to play the game as he thinks he is ready, it is up to JVG.
     
  13. rayrocket

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    Yes, beacause of those injuries, JVG can not afford the risky investment on a Rookie's development. JVG needs to survive in NBA himself, he wants more wins and gets his contract renewed. So Span is the one who should compromise if he wants minutes and survive in NBA.
    Damn, if both Tmac and Yao are healthy, everything will be fine, and definitely Span can get more mimutes.
     
  14. Yetti

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    So you noticed it as well ? :p
     
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    Everybody forgets. McGrady was in a total funk the first couple months of the first season under Van Gundy until they had a talk and Van Gundy opened up the offense and let McGrady have his shots and do his thing.
     
  16. Will

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    The basis for comparison here isn't McGrady. It's Yao. I have to laugh at Spanoulis whining about 10 million Greeks demanding PT for him. Try a billion Chinese cheering for Yao, whose butt was plastered to the bench under notorious rookie-squelcher Rudy Tomjanovich. Yao came out of China as a tall mid-range shooter. How many interviews did he ever give to the press about being forced by Van Gundy to change his style? And Yao was a manifest, game-changing talent.

    The little man needs to learn from the big one. If not by lecture, then by emulation.
     
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    what like twice in 11 games or something like that when the NBA teams really didn't try and the euroleague teams played like there was no tomorrow?
     
  18. Old Man Rock

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    Yeah he only talked to TMAC because he didn't have a clue why his "No Superstar everyone is equal Offense" was stinking up the court and the Rockets were losing bigtime. Since then all offensive strategies have been run by Tmac first. Credit him for at least being smart enough to see then that Tmac knew more about running the offense than he did.
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    I know he wants to play,but maybe JVG just doesn't play rooks...Some coaches are know for that...

    I'd like to see him play, as I think he can create, but also a little too spastic...
     
  20. Believe

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    Well Orlando is looking to trade the rights to F Vasquez.

    How about V Span for JJ Reddick and the rights to Vasquez???

    Just a thought.
     

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