I understand people here want Bosh, but at what price?

I would not do the deal if any of the following had to be included.

1. Yao
2. Brooks
3. Martin
4. Budinger

Anyone else on the roster or as a restricted free agent is fair game, including picks.

And honestly, Toronto has NO leverage, Morey would not have to give up any of the above.

Now, why are those 4 on my list? They are our best players today and in the future.

The reason that Hill, Scola and Patterson could be traded is because Bosh will be playing the majority of the time at their position and keeping one or two of them as backups would be enough.

I would be SHOCKED if any of those 4 I named are included in any deal for a Free agent, you just don't have to give up that much.....

DD

 

You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs.

 

The idea that Toronto has no leverage with us is foolish. They have leverage with us because unless they reach a trade agreement with us Bosh can't come here. Toronto isn't going to send him here just to get contracts back that they aren't really interested in. A giant trade exception and a first round pick is better than a bunch of mediocre players. I don't know what Toronto will value on this team (maybe they like Jordan Hill, maybe they think Ariza or Battier would fit well) but I can guarantee you that Houston will never have Toronto over the barrel in a deal for Bosh.

 

Well, then, I guess Toronto has some leverage but not much......it will all depend upon Houston's anxiousness to make the deal, if it comes up, last year they told NY nope, and NY panicked.

I expect the same to happen to Toronto...who, once Bosh leaves will be in complete rebuild mode, so probably just wants Expirings and picks anyway....

Especially those Knick picks, and possibly Sergio Llull.

DD

 

Holy crap, you overvalue Budinger if you consider him untouchable.

 

Spoiler

 

I consider him a big part of the roster going forward. I don't know how high his ceiling is, but I believe the organization wants to find that out.

And I do not think Toronto has any leverage......sure they can refuse to work with Bosh, but I think the Rox will be able to do something that is somewhat palatable without giving up any core pieces.

And those 4, to me are the main core that are not covered by other pieces, they have unique talent.

1. Yao can not be replaced.
2. Kmart is a 20ppg efficient scorer - not easily replaced.
3. Brooks is a super quick efficient scoring PG - not easily replaced.
4. Budinger - a super athletic wing player with great range - not easily replaced.

The rest of the roster has redundant pieces covering it.....if you traded Brooks for instance, our PG situation is way worse, Lowry is a backup, Brooks a starter, if you trade Kmart we also have no one with his abilities, Budinger, same thing, he is our best young asset....Yao...no need to talk about him, he is unique.


DD

 

Impossible to say without knowing exactly which players and picks are involved.

 

well if they give up Brooks that means we're getting something better.

this is a very interesting question, whatever it is, I hope that we keep Scola. He's an important piece to be a championship team.

 

Why would they want expirings when Bosh is already gone?

Now, the Knick picks and Sergio Llull could possibly be what they value in return. Toronto won't panic though. They have no reason to panic. Bosh will not sign anywhere without a sign and trade because he wants his money. New York panicked because if they didn't get that deal done they wouldn't have the cap room they needed. Toronto isn't in any jeopardy of missing a deal.

 

Budinger?????????? Don't get me wrong here I love Bud but we can get a clone of him with a little $$$. There's too many FA out there.

 

Bosh has the ability to sign somewhere else though and they get nothing, I think calmer heads would prevail and Toronto would get some expirings a young replacement in Hill or Patterson and some future considerations in picks and possibly Llull.

I don't think they would get any core piece on the Rockets.

DD

 

You forgot to add with no defense and can easily be replaced.

 

There are not clones of 6'7" players that can put the ball on the floor, attack the rim, rebound, pass, AND hit outside shots.

Those guys just do not grow on trees.....

And he is only 22 years old, gonna get a lot better.......

I doubt they would consider trading Budinger until at least year 3 where they find out just how high his ceiling is....

Adding a 7'6" guy in the middle improves EVERYONE'S defense, and I do not believe he is easily replaced.....smart athletic guys who can score, and shoot and move without the ball are pretty danged rare.

DD

 

DD, I love you as a fan, but you would be the David Kahn of GMs. No one would trade with you because you over-value your guys and think that you can get something for nothing. No ill feelings bud, just had to get it off my chest.

 

If Bosh agrees to come here Morey going to be willing trade anyone but Yao to make this deal happen. BOOK IT! It doesn't matter how much we on this board value the guys on our roster, Morey views this as his chance to get a "SUPERSTAR".

 

I would trade CBud, but only if we had his skillset covered by another player, and we are getting someone back that is great.

I am a huge proponent of not robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Getting incrementally better at the PF spot is great, but not if we get worse at the PG or SF spots.

That, to me, is treading water.

I do not believe Bosh is a Superstar....

DD

 

Don't worry, DD. The raptors don't want CBud.

 

+1

I think it would be foolish if DM didn't pull the trigger on the deal because of not wanting to give up either Bud or Brooks.

You won't win a championship with our current roster plan and simple. Replace Bosh with either of those two and our team is MUCH better.

Brooks is a shoot first PG and IF we get Bosh then he will be asked to reduce his scoring load to spread the ball around to Bosh, Martin, and Yao. This will eliminate the need for a PG of his mold on our team.

 

I think Morey & about 90% of the NBA would disagree with your opinion. But if Chase Budinger is the only thing keeping us from getting Bosh, then I think Morey & Adelman will go to Chase's house and help him pack cause he's about to be a Raptor.