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i still see collapse and still rooting for losses

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by peleincubus, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. Ramathorn006

    Ramathorn006 Member

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    "You play to win the game". Worse thread ever.
     
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  2. LifeisButaDream

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  3. RocketMania1991

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    Uh getting a high draft pick>not doing anything in the playoffs.

    Getting eliminated in the first round does nothing to help us better our team next year.

    Long term people......
     
  4. apollo33

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    i dont know why people can root for tanking

    do you guys not realize the amount of development for our young role players this year is far far far more valueble than 7th or 8th pick.
     
  5. crash5179

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    We can all assume but none of us really know this for a fact. We were in position to draft Brandon Roy but Portland made a very shrewd move by trading with Boston (who was not interest in Roy) for the draft rights of Randy Foye. Minnesota was not interested in Roy only Foye so had Boston not allowed Portland to trade up then in all likely hood we could have made a deal with Minny ourselves or just sit and draft Roy. Instead Portland trades Foye (who they never wanted) to Minny for the draft rights of Roy. Both Houston and Portland had Brandon Roy as a target but Portland had more ammo to go and get him.

    What is the point of that explanation? Just to let you know that there is never a guarantee that you are going to get who you want. just because you think you are in position. Dallas Mavericks in the 90's are another prime example of a team in the Lottery on a year in and year out bases. They never managed the number 1 pick even though they had the worst record on three separate occasions and there prizes included Jamaal Mashburn, Jimmy Jackson and Jason Kidd. We all know how well that worked out. Other consolation prizes for the Mav's futility included players like Samaki Walker and Randy White (not the football player).
     
  6. Salvy

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    OP is not saying to tank or that he wants the Rockets to loose, he is saying that he wants this team to have the best draft position possible.... And yes that involves alot of loosing this season but sometimes loosing is winning in the long run....
     
  7. Ramathorn006

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    1. You are not guaranteed a high draft pick
    2. You dont even know if your draft pick will be a bust unless his name is John Wall and we all freakin know we are not getting John Wall.
     
  8. LifeisButaDream

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    What makes you think that were not.You think DM or Les is going say there tanking.There's more then one way to tank.This whole season is a SMOKESCREEN.just think about everything that has gone wrong.to the t-mac disaster to the Airza circus.it just doesn't make any sense.actions speak louder then then words.
     
  9. Salvy

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    Ha, you keep thinking that... Its all about money man, all about money......
     
  10. peleincubus

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    i dont think there tanking at all. but keeping ariza in the lineup from now until the end of the season... well.... :grin:
     
  11. apollo33

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    telling your team to tank is like saying you guys fricken sucks so do whatever the hell you want, we need better players. you know what that does to players?

    right now we have a squad of fast developing young players, they need to fight for every single game in order to gain the maximum amount of experience and to become better players.

    look at how much players like brooks, landry and bundinger are getting from this season so far, and this development will continue if we continue to hustle and fight for every game like its our last. by the end of the season, even if we get eliminated first round or not make playoffs at all, we've developed a solid supporting cast for YaoMing and whoever Mac's contract or FA we can get.
     
  12. Salvy

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    This..... its all too perfectly planned...... I started to suspect when the T-Mac thing went down, it seemed like there were already plans...... Morey and Adelman were not gonna allow T-Mac to play period.... They just waited for Mcgrady to get fustrated and talk so they could get rid of that obstacle....
     
  13. RocketMania1991

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    The draft is always risky, but the possible reward from a draft pick far outweighs making a useless first round exit.
     
  14. emjohn

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    Maintaining desire and a winner's mentality is nearly always the best move.

    Tanking is seductive the 1 time in 20 that it works, but look at what happened when Boston tanked chasing Duncan. When Miami disgracefully tanked a couple of years ago. I'd rather we keep playing with more heart than 2/3rds of the league and continue uncovering non-lottery blue chips like Chase, Brooks, Scola, and Landry.
     
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  15. LongTimeFan

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    I don't think anyone is assuming; IIRC, it was well-documented that Houston had a swap with Minnesota to land Roy, but that Portland came in and interfered. Had we not won that last game, we wouldn't have had to make a trade, and would've had Brandon Roy. There's no real arguing this, unless you want to say that Portland would have just traded for the 5th pick to get ahead of us.

    The explanation was for the fans who can't understand the logic behind wanting your team to get the best draft pick possible. Obviously, nothing is guaranteed - even if we had the #1 pick, it's not a 100% guarantee Wall will be a stud. Your Mavs argument.. they had a lot more holes than their draft. Wasn't there a report of them drinking and smoking in the locker room pre-Cuban? I don't think even Jordan could turn around a franchise like that.

    I never said "Tank for John Wall!", so the no guarantee you'll get who you want argument doesn't really apply. I'm just on record as saying I'd rather have a lottery pick than an 8th seed for this Rockets team. Memphis traded Battier to us because we had the 8th pick in the draft -- Neither Gay nor the Battier trade would have been available if we made the playoffs that year and had the 14th or so pick. My thinking is along the lines of.. if Morey can pull these guys out of the late 1st round/2nd round, I can't wait to see what he does with a legitimate lottery pick. We need to continue to build our team, and you do that through the draft -- and just because we're in the lottery doesn't mean we'll be there every year. That's not what I hope for. The Rockets were only in the lottery once (Battier) over the last several years, so I don't think anyone expects us to continually be in the lottery just because we may be there this year.

    The 04-05 Lakers were a down year for them and they got a lottery pick, which they used on Andrew Bynum. I think the Lakers would rather have Bynum than be an 8th seed 1-and-done -- that's all I'm saying.

    For those saying "nothing is guaranteed if we have a lotto pick" -- I guess I just have more faith in Morey than y'all do :)

    I sincerely doubt Miami regrets drafting Beasley over trying to compete in the playoffs with Chris Quinn. Boston's tanking allowed them to acquire the young assets necessary to trade for Garnett. Brooks/Landry/Budinger are great players and great at their draft value.. but none of them are ever going to win a championship being the best player on their team. I'd rather be in a position to select one of those guys - independent of whether we actually do, at least give us a chance at drafting them.
     
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    I'm glad Scola doesn't think the same way about this quote.


    http://dimemag.com/2009/12/whos-better-michael-beasley-or-luis-scola/
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2117947/luis_scola_the_nbas_most_underrated.html?cat=14
    http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/rockets_grind_out_9784_win_ov_2009_11_18.html
    http://www.nba.com/hoop/24_seconds-010210.html
     
  17. plutoblue11

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    The Lakers didn't have any other choice that year, Long Time. Kobe missed almost the last month of the season. Even if they tried, it would've been a long shot.
     
  18. T-Slack

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    I wish the Rockets would make up their mind on which way they want to go. Either keep winning games or tank. They are in the middle which stinks. We might miss the playoffs with the way the Grizz and Thunder are playing and still have no shot at John Wall. We might have a chance to win the lottery or be in the top 3 if we somehow can tank our way to the 9 position, Many teams have stunk in being in that spot. Even though I want the Rockets to win, they won't be able to make any big splash with their current roster. Mind as well build for the future.
     
  19. T-Slack

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    We've seen what he can do with a legitimate pick and it has made us argue about it for the last three years and has set us back a couple of years.
     
  20. LongTimeFan

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    I wasn't really trying to say they tanked; just saying that they missed the playoffs and had a lottery pick. My original statement still stands.. I'm sure they would take Bynum everyday over being an 8th seed and getting bounced.
     

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