Trust me I'm not offended when "fans" who "root for losses" call me ignorant. You may not call it tanking, but taking pleasure in losses is just as bad. As for your boy Aldrich, if you think it's worth missing the playoffs to get a guy who went down statistically in every category from last year and averages 11 and 10 in college (good numbers, but hardly ones that blow me away or make me think he'll be anything more than a backup center for his career) be my guest.
but the thing is, regardless if we get a patterson or a aldrich....are we going to be any better off next year MAKING the playoffs?? In that case we'd get a low first rounder which would have almost no trade value after getting bounced out in 4 games by the Lakers. getting a top10 pick may not lead us to a championship next year, but not getting one would be even worse. much worse
I pity the man who has to walk into the locker room and tell Hayes, Battier and Lowry to not give 100%. May god have mercy on his soul.
considering your nick, you don't find your stance at all ironic? The year we went on a 22 game win streak everyone knew the Rockets didn't have a chance to win it all, but that was still one of my favorite times to be a Rockets fan. The reason? I like rooting for my team to win, especially when they are the underdog. And to answer your question, no I don't think we'd be appreciably better off getting pick 7 withouth the playoffs versus pick 20 with a first round exit. I'd go through the reasons, but there is really no point in debating it with you.
DM and RA can say they what to win all they want.but actions speak louder then words.if in outsider can see whats really going on am know they see it.
How is that? Aren't two of our best players second round picks? Almost forgot about Bud who may turn out to be a pretty good player himself.
yeah i agree,since we have no chance in the upcoming playoffs,why no just tank and hoping for a high pick in lottery.
You're right, my mistake. Brooks was drafted in the 26th position but it still proves my point that just because you don't get lottery pick doesn't mean that you won't get a very good player. You don't have to tank in order to improve the team like you're suggesting. Losers mentality.
So we've been praising Morey for awhile now... don't you think that even if we make the playoffs, he will be able to at least get us a productive player later in the draft? We'd be paying less too
so why the grizzlies and the thunder, started to play good, when they started the season losing? they have no shot to even pass the 1st round, so why they are playing hard to try to win games, and not to lose, because tanking is the best option if you dont have a chance to at least get out of 1st round? they should try to lose all the games to get a franchise player in the next draft? go ask to the fans of those teams, what they want? a playoff berth, or another trip to the lottery?
Dude your'e comparing two different situation's the Thunder & Grizzlies are already set with young talent in every position, what they lack is Playoff experience, the rockets on the other hand lack young talent, but they do have playoff experience player (for the exception of Budinger, and Taylor) It wouldn't hurt us to draft some highly talented player once in a while specially since only this one year, Donatas Montiejunas could be had with our current position in the mock draft, and your'e telling me, that you wouldn't like an agile 7 ft'r with a three point shot and is getting constant comparison's to Dirk Nowitzki... PS. That first statement show's how much your'e underestimating the Grizzlies, that team with the way there playing are a top 6 in the west, they've taken out some pretty heavy competition... --RB
good lord, how much eye rolling can one thread have ? The position that the rockets making the lottery will somehow make us a perpetually crappy team like the clippers is just plain wrong. Our scenario is much more like the Spurs' situation when the landed Duncan - an aberration. a competitive team that has one year where the franchise player (yao) is without a doubt out for the season. the fans signing off on this tanking idea are simply hoping that we might add a franchise player to take the weight off of yao via draft (which might actually allow him to play a full season). cut this "true fan" bs out - both sides want what's best for the team, they just have different views on how to achieve it. those of you bringing up the fact that a lottery pick does not guarantee a star are right. but you're also the same people touting morey's brilliant drafting skills. this logic simply does not hold. if he can turn a second round picks into chase budinger and carl landry, imagine what he can do with a first round top ten. that being said, i personally can't get on board with tanking. even if i rationalize it in my mind, i can't stand to see the rockets lose to anyone. we've developed a "no quit, never say die attitude" over the years that's allowed us to perform higher than our talent level indicates. these mindsets are hard to come by and a season of tanking would erode that. but good God, we need some more firepower from somewhere. i'm praying for a trade.
Well, everything is about numbers. And sure, we could squeeze into the lottery, defy the odds, and get a top 3 pick. But the chances are very, very slim this would occur. What I really think has happened is that we have lost our mental edge. We came out of last year taking the Lakers to 7 games, and everybody came into the season hyped to the fact that we could sustain that kind of play ongoingly. Now we have lost a few games that were within our grasp, the trade deadline looms, and guys are physically tired. Doubt has clouded the picture somewhat. Look what effect Hayes's little pow wow before the Spurs game had? What the guys need is for that little cloud to go away and find a way to believe in themselves EVERY GAME. I think a portion of the doubt arises from the fact that we are at somewhat of a talent deficit in regards to a go to guy and a inside defensive presence. Facts can cloud a mental picture also. And if Morey can adress one of those holes via a T-mac trade, then we get more than an additional player who can contribute, but everyone can refocus mentally on hope. The hope that change has occured, and they are better than they were. Right now, they have to try to reinvent that hope with the same crew they started the season with. The same crew that time is proving cant sustain the kind of play that happened in December.
what Morey's done is take second round and late first round slots and filled them with solid contributors, which is what moneyball is about. it's not about magically creating something out of nothing. top 10 players are all known quantities, there's much less room for morey to "work magic" because there are fewer unknown variables and wiggle room. in the same breath if you're so much pimping morey's proven skillset, you're talking about the late first round, which is where they'd be if Houston made a first round exit who's to say that with a 10th pick Morey wouldn't turn that into 2 late round picks or a pick and cash? if you're talking about managing risk, 2 smaller monetary gambles might pay off bigger than one larger one. it's only worth it if you're going to get a game changer like a top 3 pick. is a teen pick versus a 2os pick worth a trashing your franchise?
